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RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 11:23 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That' a lot of words to defend your engaging in bigoted stereotypes. As I've said, repeatedly, in this forum you can't fight racism with more racism and expect a good result. You felt comfortable with engaging in bigoted tropes because today's atmosphere largely allows it. That you felt the need to defend your use of bigoted tropes just shows how deeply this is engrained in you. I've often found that the people who are quickest to hurl accusations of racism are harboring a lot of racist thoughts and beliefs as themselves. Projection through accusation.
"Tropes" aren't bigoted or stereotypes or projection just because you say they are.
"You can't fight racism with more racism" here assumes social analyses which take race into account are just "reverse racism."
As I said above, people fighting actual racism then become the "real racists" in an effort to block and obfuscate real analysis.
Rather than illustrating my points with quickly hurled accusations, why not try refuting them? Labeling alone won't do that.
It would be very difficult to discuss the history of slavery in the ante-bellum U.S., or the segregation which followed it, without reference to the color of either the dominating or dominated groups. Even though some Blacks owned slaves, few would call it "bigoted" to identify the dominant group as "White," and exerting power on the basis of race, making both the slavery and the segregation acts of "white supremacy."
Similarly, current analyses of racial imbalances which rest on the social geography and legal infrastructure constructed during the era of segregation would be very difficult--impossible really--without correctly identifying dominating and dominated. If the claim is that "no such domination occurs" anymore, then that claim should be open to empirical analysis and refutation. It is not, in itself, some kind "reverse bigotry" to pursue such analyses, recognizing that race continues affect human interactions not only at the individual, but also the group level.
You went off on Jane Hu's and Lee and Huang's terms. If you are not one of those "quickest to hurl accusations" who is himself "harboring a lot of racist thoughts," then explain why their terms are "accusations" rather than descriptions. They don't seem "quickly hurled" to me. The authors take the time to explain what themselves. That is the difference between those who "project accusation" and those who engage in responsible analysis, making time to define terms when asked and to document claims. It can involve a lot of words, though quickly hurled accusations do not.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 12:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Or why don't you do an actually "replacement test" and replace a stereotypically bigoted trope with another? GM was very quick to accuse Bfine of racism when Bfine posted a picture of looting in Chicago in which a black woman was the main focus of the picture (BTW it was literallt the first pic on Google images about the riots and looting in Chicago that weekend). Now if Bfine had responded with a statement like "Just another black person looting", he would rightly be accused of exactly what GM is doing in this thread, engaging in negative tropes about an ethnicity.
Your example is identical to someone making a comment about how Asians can't drive, which is a known negative trope about Asians, and replaced it with white people or black people can't drive. As neither of these are negative tropes about either of those ethnicities your "replacement" wouldn't sound racist. Thus, your "replacement test" doesn't work because being a repressed Christian is not a negative trope about black people, hence your analogy is an exceedingly poor one.
Not sure how "white people or black people can't drive' wouldn't be a "negative trope." Maybe as the title of a film comedy?
Doesn't look like you understood my point about using "replacement" as a tool for exploration,
but you are using it as a tool for exploration.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 02:12 PM)Dill Wrote: Not sure how "white people or black people can't drive' wouldn't be a "negative trope." Maybe as the title of a film comedy?
Doesn't look like you understood my point about using "replacement" as a tool for exploration,
but you are using it as a tool for exploration.
If you truly don't understand the above, and why it's different, then I'm convinced this isn't a topic on which you can speak intelligently or hold a reasonable opinion.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 03:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If you truly don't understand the above, and why it's different, then I'm convinced this isn't a topic on which you can speak intelligently or hold a reasonable opinion.
People who can speak "intelligently" about such topics don't make claims they cannot explain.
What you are really doing here is laying down a condition--just agree with me or I'm done, authoritarian style.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 09:54 PM)Dill Wrote: People who can speak "intelligently" about such topics don't make claims they cannot explain.
People who are intelligent would be able to understand the explanation given.
Quote:What you are really doing here is laying down a condition--just agree with me or I'm done, authoritarian style.
Not at all. Your statement was so off base and displayed a fundamental lack of understanding of the points being made. Based on your history in this regard I have to think you've realized you painted yourself into a corner and are trying to pontificate your way out. I'll let everyone else reading this thread draw their own conclusion. I for one am confident of the points made on my end.
Maybe just man up and take the L on this one?
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-19-2021
(03-18-2021, 11:55 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I suppose you could find one example of me engaging in stereotypical tropes to actually prove that? But we both know the answer. I dislike stereotyping and bigoted tropes regardless of the target, unlike yourself I don't believe there aren't certain groups that are fair game. You could post one of your "Please, somebody think of the White people" memes now if you really want to hammer my point home.
Is Islam a religion or an ideology?
If I'm the kind of guy who cherishes Western values, should I fear Muslims?
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - hollodero - 03-19-2021
It is tough to answer into all that, really.
(03-18-2021, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: I never said he couldn't get laid. I said he was sexually repressed which is something that Christianity tries to do. Sex is bad. If you want sex you are bad. Even THINKING about sex is bad. Until you are married...then make lots of new Christians.
Well, I'm not made out to be the greatest defender of religion of any kind, but this seems to be a bit narrow.
I don't think Christianity is automatically to blame here. People can be sexually repressed for lots of reasons. One of them is being repressed by religion, another one is the inability to appear attractive, and there are way more.
It is a tough call to make such an incident about a systemic issue with one specific background, especially when the actual motivation is not clear yet.
(03-18-2021, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: As a Christian, white male, I've seen it. I did use a stereotype..one based on things I have seen...but race didn't matter because I was talking about a real person who was white.
Just my impression. You tried to imply that police treated the suspect differently because he was white. You said they downplay the deed. You seemed to mock the claim that it's too early to tell if it's a racially motivated crime. It seemed a bit much.
Not that I want to defend everything. Saying he had a bad day was worthy of critizism.
(03-18-2021, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: The sexually repressed male is a thing. He being a white Christian was specific...but the the sexually repressed white male Christian is also a thing.
Of course they are. Many stereotypes are also a thing. Almost all of them, probably. I would even go as far as to claim that asians can't drive didn't exactly fall out of the air. You'd still don't want to judge based on things that are a thing.
Jumping to conclusions is also a thing, especially to convenient ones.
(03-18-2021, 11:30 AM)Dill Wrote: Hollo, The "replacement test" can be a useful exploratory tool for social analysis.
E.g., how would it sound if we replaced "Black History Month" with "White History Month"?
My only question about replacing "white" with "black" or "Asian" in your example would be--does it usefully describe the behavior of the demographic group in question? It wouldn't "sound good" if there are no, or a statistically irrelevant number, of repressed religious black men who can't get laid and so kill women. That would raise some interesting exploratory questions--like how many Black men identify as "incels"?
Your replacement would "sound good" to me, if such a category of persons becomes visible in crime statistics. I would leave off the term "typical" though--at least for a while.
Are white guys killing lots of Asian women in massage parlors typical, as in visible in crime statistics? I mean, maybe there's an answer to that, but imho the bar for any such statistic being able to serve as an useful description has to be quite high.
As for incels, I don't know that really. This will become an issue across all races and I would shy away from tieing it to the white one. The 'incel' term/group specifically, I don't really know the definition or what their underlying maybe racially motivated beliefs are. As far as I can tell, the unifying thing is misogyny. Btw. isn't it a bit weird that the victim's race gets more attention than their gender.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-19-2021
(03-18-2021, 10:03 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: People who are intelligent would be able to understand the explanation given.
Not at all. Your statement was so off base and displayed a fundamental lack of understanding of the points being made. Based on your history in this regard I have to think you've realized you painted yourself into a corner and are trying to pontificate your way out. I'll let everyone else reading this thread draw their own conclusion. I for one am confident of the points made on my end.
Maybe just man up and take the L on this one?
People who claim intelligence should be able to explain.
Your comments on "revisionist history" and "reverse racism" sounded pretty "off base" to me, displaying a "fundamental lack of understanding of the points being made"--including a profound misunderstanding of reverse racism. Yet it never occurred to me to just claim that, and then if you had questions, impute some deficiency to you in lieu of answers. I was prepared to demonstrate, because I can; you weren't prepared to follow.
Now I'm prepared to follow; you aren't prepared to demonstrate, because you can't.
My "history in this regard" is that I have not developed a system for dodging questions and arguments by dismissing others as "disingenuous" or unintelligent. I respond to arguments with arguments, not ad hominem. To me, no one, no argument, is beneath reply.
Your history: this is the 3rd thread this week in which you plunged into a topic overconfident and underinformed. Best example: your own thread, forcing an insubstantial transcription error, whose context you misunderstood, into the demise of modern journalism. With similar high drama, you jumped into this thread reading "white supremacy" and "revisionist history" into works by three Asian women trying to raise national awareness about anti-Asian violence. Well not at the expense of white people--not on your watch.
Rather than actually considering the "long Western legacy of violence" against Asians, you set about insuring there'd be no singular blame of white people and the "West." Your assessment of Ms. Hu was "We're not going to solve racism with racism." So was she "solving racism with racism"? This Asian was directing "racism" at people of European ancestry? If we want to stop violence against Asians, then we have to see "the whole problem," which apparently extends to recognizing individual acts of racism among/between minorities but stops short of the systemic racism which excludes those minorities. And you weren't going to pursue any analysis you suspected might implicate Trump, whom you don't support. "Racism" against Trump won't help anyone understand the current round of violence against Asians, right? But before that question can be answered, you are "done here."
Almost. You couldn't resist jumping into my post to Hollo about replacing labels as an exploratory tool and misreading that too. The black history analogy was doing nothing more than extending a point Hollo had already made about "Western Civ" as used by right and left commentators. THEN I moved to the issue of stereotypes about men who blame women for their sexual problems, which I suggested arose with crime data--meaning the provenance of such stereotypes is not the same as "Asians can't drive" or "Blacks are lazy." After another of your many ham-fisted attempts to paint Dino in a negative light, regarding no issue on my table, you decided my analogy, which addressed the principle of replacement in general, was all wrong because it didn't involve "negative tropes" of Black people. Like my point went right over your head. It didn't require a "negative trope" about Black people.
But now you want me to "man up" so you don't have to provide the requested explanation, or demonstrate you actually understood the point of my post. Logical/language analysis is work. It requires patience and a common effort towards understanding terms. The only other options are silence or a flurry of Parthian accusation of the sort you lobbed at Dino, in lieu of substantive analysis.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - GMDino - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 10:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: It is tough to answer into all that, really.
Well, I'm not made out to be the greatest defender of religion of any kind, but this seems to be a bit narrow.
I don't think Christianity is automatically to blame here. People can be sexually repressed for lots of reasons. One of them is being repressed by religion, another one is the inability to appear attractive, and there are way more.
It is a tough call to make such an incident about a systemic issue with one specific background, especially when the actual motivation is not clear yet.
The suspect, who admitted he did it, said he was a Christian who was trying to eliminate the temptation. He was a white male.
Me adding "another" isn't false. Me repeating what we know isn't blaming. I took what we know about him and others who have doen the same plus my own experience with the church and said maybe that's all it is rather than a racist attack on Asians.
(03-19-2021, 10:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: Just my impression. You tried to imply that police treated the suspect differently because he was white. You said they downplay the deed. You seemed to mock the claim that it's too early to tell if it's a racially motivated crime. It seemed a bit much.
Not that I want to defend everything. Saying he had a bad day was worthy of critizism.
Again he was white, they said "he had a bad day". If there is an example of any officer holding a press conference to say that about a suspect of any color I'd like to see it.
I understand the desire for the police and public officials to "get out in front of it" and keep the Asian community from panicking since there has been a rise in attacks on them. But this was handled in such a ham-fisted way...and when it turns out the spokesperson was pushing Corona Virus "from Chy-na" shirts just adds to the lack of awareness of all those involved.
I posted my opinion based on what I observed and have seen in the past. Might be right, might be wrong. But criticism was warranted, as you say.
(03-19-2021, 10:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: Of course they are. Many stereotypes are also a thing. Almost all of them, probably. I would even go as far as to claim that asians can't drive didn't exactly fall out of the air. You'd still don't want to judge based on things that are a thing.
Jumping to conclusions is also a thing, especially to convenient ones.
Personally I jumped at nothing. I cited what was said and added my own experience when asked about it.
If a black woman says she killed an Asian priest because she thought he was tempting her to have sex I'd still comment with that information with the caveat that I'm not a black woman. And I don't know of a lot of them who claim sexual addiction as a reason for the crime.
I also don't know many black women who had a police spokesperson come out and say "she had a bad day so that's what she did" after admitting to murder.
Nonetheless I stated the facts as we know them and expanded...that's all. In the end the murderer is responsible for his own actions but that doesn't take away from the past he probably had based on what he said. As I originally said it doesn't take a lot to push a "loon" over the edge.
So I'm going to agree to disagree that I said anything racist when I spoke on something that is true and very specific to the person in the story.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - GMDino - 03-19-2021
So after that little diversion...back to the story:
"He did purchase the gun the day of the incident" -- Atlanta police officer on mass shooter Robert Long pic.twitter.com/qUKRkAsgaC
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 18, 2021
I doubt a background check or three day waiting period would have prevented him from buying the gun.
Maybe it would have given him time to change his mind about killing? That's just speculation on my part. Hopeful speculation too.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - hollodero - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 11:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: So after that little diversion...back to the story:
Oh I'm sorry about that. I won't answer then, except for a clarification that I did not claim you said racist things.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - GMDino - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 11:36 AM)hollodero Wrote: Oh I'm sorry about that. I won't answer then, except for a clarification that I did not claim you said racist things.
Never apologize for a good discussion sir. I'll be happy to continue with you. I understood your concerns/questions/statements.
I was just adding new info to this story after you and and I and Dill and SSF were off on other things...
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 04:37 AM)Dill Wrote: Is Islam a religion or an ideology?
Both, as is every religion.
Quote:If I'm the kind of guy who cherishes Western values, should I fear Muslims?
Muslims? No. Should you be concerned about Islam as it is practiced in most of the world, where it is an oppressive and regressive ideology? Yes. I don't think I'd use the word fear though. Not unless you're a homosexual or a woman in most majority Muslim nations. Then, yeah, I would think you'd be fearful.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 10:39 AM)Dill Wrote: People who claim intelligence should be able to explain.
Sure, just not endlessly to a person who refuses to listen.
Quote:Your comments on "revisionist history" and "reverse racism" sounded pretty "off base" to me, displaying a "fundamental lack of understanding of the points being made"--including a profound misunderstanding of reverse racism. Yet it never occurred to me to just claim that, and then if you had questions, impute some deficiency to you in lieu of answers. I was prepared to demonstrate, because I can; you weren't prepared to follow.
As expected, pontification meter at level red.
Quote:Now I'm prepared to follow; you aren't prepared to demonstrate, because you can't.
Yeah, I can't. To quote someone, "it's not true because you say it is".
Quote:My "history in this regard" is that I have not developed a system for dodging questions and arguments by dismissing others as "disingenuous" or unintelligent. I respond to arguments with arguments, not ad hominem. To me, no one, no argument, is beneath reply.
This is great, you couldn't even go two sentences without contradicting yourself.
Quote:Your history: this is the 3rd thread this week in which you plunged into a topic overconfident and underinformed. Best example: your own thread, forcing an insubstantial transcription error, whose context you misunderstood, into the demise of modern journalism. With similar high drama, you jumped into this thread reading "white supremacy" and "revisionist history" into works by three Asian women trying to raise national awareness about anti-Asian violence. Well not at the expense of white people--not on your watch.
Ahahaha, good lord you're precious. You're so blind to your own faults, as you are to others you agree with, that you don't even recognize yourself engaging in behavior right after you claim not to engage in it.
Quote:Rather than actually considering the "long Western legacy of violence" against Asians, you set about insuring there'd be no singular blame of white people and the "West." Your assessment of Ms. Hu was "We're not going to solve racism with racism." So was she "solving racism with racism"? This Asian was directing "racism" at people of European ancestry? If we want to stop violence against Asians, then we have to see "the whole problem," which apparently extends to recognizing individual acts of racism among/between minorities but stops short of the systemic racism which excludes those minorities. And you weren't going to pursue any analysis you suspected might implicate Trump, whom you don't support. "Racism" against Trump won't help anyone understand the current round of violence against Asians, right? But before that question can be answered, you are "done here."
It's been answered you blowhard. Several times. Another case of "Dill doesn't see it"?
Quote:Almost. You couldn't resist jumping into my post to Hollo about replacing labels as an exploratory tool and misreading that too. The black history analogy was doing nothing more than extending a point Hollo had already made about "Western Civ" as used by right and left commentators. THEN I moved to the issue of stereotypes about men who blame women for their sexual problems, which I suggested arose with crime data--meaning the provenance of such stereotypes is not the same as "Asians can't drive" or "Blacks are lazy." After another of your many ham-fisted attempts to paint Dino in a negative light, regarding no issue on my table, you decided my analogy, which addressed the principle of replacement in general, was all wrong because it didn't involve "negative tropes" of Black people. Like my point went right over your head. It didn't require a "negative trope" about Black people.
No, you made a shitty analogy and I pointed out that it was shitty.
Quote:But now you want me to "man up" so you don't have to provide the requested explanation, or demonstrate you actually understood the point of my post. Logical/language analysis is work. It requires patience and a common effort towards understanding terms. The only other options are silence or a flurry of Parthian accusation of the sort you lobbed at Dino, in lieu of substantive analysis.
More faux intellectualism from the certified master of it. I'd actually feel bad for you, so lacking in self awareness and steeped in myopic hypocrisy, if you weren't such an pedantic snob.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 11:36 AM)hollodero Wrote: Oh I'm sorry about that. I won't answer then, except for a clarification that I did not claim you said racist things.
I wouldn't say it was intentional, but it is indicative of the casual racism that is acceptable to direct at white people in the current climate. of course, trying to point that out will result in a lot of confusion by this immersed in it.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 10:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: Are white guys killing lots of Asian women in massage parlors typical, as in visible in crime statistics? I mean, maybe there's an answer to that, but imho the bar for any such statistic being able to serve as an useful description has to be quite high.
As for incels, I don't know that really. This will become an issue across all races and I would shy away from tieing it to the white one. The 'incel' term/group specifically, I don't really know the definition or what their underlying maybe racially motivated beliefs are. As far as I can tell, the unifying thing is misogyny. Btw. isn't it a bit weird that the victim's race gets more attention than their gender.
I'm not aware of white guys killing Asian women in massage parlors as statistically salient.
White guys killing women who "tempt" or frustrate them is though. The 1989 École Polytechnique massacre in Montreal, in which 15 women were killed by an avowed anti-feminist, is an example. Incel Elliot Rodgers may also count
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/02/us/elliot-rodger-killings-in-california-followed-years-of-withdrawal.html
And he was a role model for incel Alec Minassian.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/03/03/incel-alek-minassian-found-guilty-van-attack-killed-10/6906716002/
I'm not sure the incel phenomenon is an issue for all ethnicities at the moment, though it may become so. Things like male coercive control over women, for example, may indeed be spread across all "races," but also be spread more thickly in some places because of culture, not nature (e.g., think of "honor killings in Africa and the ME"). Same for the incel phenomenon. Same for the desire to punish women for putting impure thoughts in one's head. That usually requires some special binding of sex and shame learned from religious or cultural teachings.
I'm definitely NOT suggesting the incel phenomenon is racially motivated. So far as I can tell, it's men on the internet, generally race unknown, adopting toxic models of masculinity in a consumer culture marked by increasing female equality. And the violent incel incidents mentioned above may not be instances of religion-inspired anger at Eve temptresses who must be stopped/punished, which could have motivated the Atlanta killings. (One wonders if all the Asian women killed were people the shooter had a personal beef with, or were "symbols" of the problem as he defined it.)
My point to you was that all "stereotypes" don't originate the same way. E.g., until we have 3-4 Black incels killing women in these very public ways because the women make them feel diminished, there is not going to be a black or generic "stereotype" of this type of killer.
Were you arguing that it would be somehow unjust to assume Blacks or Latinos or Asians couldn't be incel too, or killers who believed they were the real victim of the women they killed? Crimes involving race now always raise the issue of how people are to be categorized/discussed. Most people are inexperienced in such matters, and have trouble using demographic terms with precision. Some hoover around such discussions awaiting the chance to pounce on "racist" language. That is one of the drivers of white grievance and charges of reverse racism--"they" are actually being racist against whites! It may also drive an over reaction which inhibits analysis, since we do live in a society in which people of different ethnicities/racists are differently empowered. Recognition of that should not be cast as inherently "racist," especially in an effort to prevent such analyses from going forward. (You weren't doing that. I am just expanding a point here.)
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 11:58 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sure, just not endlessly to a person who refuses to listen.
As expected, pontification meter at level red.
Yeah, I can't. To quote someone, "it's not true because you say it is".
This is great, you couldn't even go two sentences without contradicting yourself.
Ahahaha, good lord you're precious. You're so blind to your own faults, as you are to others you agree with, that you don't even recognize yourself engaging in behavior right after you claim not to engage in it.
It's been answered you blowhard. Several times. Another case of "Dill doesn't see it"?
No, you made a shitty analogy and I pointed out that it was shitty.
More faux intellectualism from the certified master of it. I'd actually feel bad for you, so lacking in self awareness and steeped in myopic hypocrisy, if you weren't such an pedantic snob.
Lol looks like you took the Parthian option.
For my records, I want to keep your response with my paragraph below, which you could not engage.
It recaps your argument contra Hu, Lee, and Huang, to emphasize the questions it raises that you claim are already answered, answers which I can't see.
Rather than actually considering the "long Western legacy of violence" against Asians, you set about insuring there'd be no singular blame of white people and the "West." Your assessment of Ms. Hu was "We're not going to solve racism with racism." So was she "solving racism with racism"? This Asian was directing "racism" at people of European ancestry? If we want to stop violence against Asians, then we have to see "the whole problem," which apparently extends to recognizing individual acts of racism among/between minorities but stops short of the systemic racism which excludes those minorities. And you weren't going to pursue any analysis you suspected might implicate Trump, whom you don't support. "Racism" against Trump won't help anyone understand the current round of violence against Asians, right? But before that question can be answered, you are "done here."
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Dill - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 11:50 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Both, as is every religion.
Muslims? No. Should you be concerned about Islam as it is practiced in most of the world, where it is an oppressive and regressive ideology? Yes. I don't think I'd use the word fear though. Not unless you're a homosexual or a woman in most majority Muslim nations. Then, yeah, I would think you'd be fearful.
So I should not fear Muslims in the U.S. Islam is not an oppressive and regressive ideology here.
But be concerned about their religion elsewhere, Right?
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 01:12 PM)Dill Wrote: So I should not fear Muslims in the U.S. Islam is not an oppressive and regressive ideology here.
Certainly not at a national level.
Quote:But be concerned about their religion elsewhere, Right?
Let's address this a different way. We've been inundated in this country about the dangers of white supremacy. We've been told, and it's been repeated here, that the Capitol Hill rioters are representative of Trumps supporters and their "cult". Let's say there were ~2,000 at the Capitol overall, not just the ones engaged in riotous behavior. So, if these people are representative of the 74+ million Trump voters and supporters, what does the 100k+ members of ISIS say about Islam? Just posing the question.
Please answer so I can keep it for my records.
RE: The long Western legacy of violence against Asian Americans - GMDino - 03-19-2021
Long article so I won't copy and paste but there is a lot more information on the victims and so more background on the shooter.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/03/19/atlanta-shooting-updates-biden-harris-asian-american-hate-crime/4752589001/