(10-22-2018, 05:49 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: 1.) The teams have done those transactions also have made major personal moves that have helped there team. Also Marvin has taken a team that had a 4 win season the year prior twice to the playoffs the Next season.  Roster upgrades tend to go hand in hand with rebuilding teams.

2.) Lazor would have had 8 games under 20 as well if it wasn't for the Defense intercepting 4 passes and returning them to the 1 Kirk against Denver and  the 2 yard line by Dennard against the Titans, a TD by Jackson,  an a TD by Dunlap against the Colts. So it's not like we we're over powering teams with our offense last season. By the way that unit was crap and I think Lazor got the best out of them . So I don't really think it was his problem but the Defense did help them get past 17 a couple of times last season.

(10-22-2018, 05:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Sorry man, but that isn't enough change to explain going from 4-12 with the 32nd ranked offense (224 points) to 11-5 with the #1 ranked offense (478 points). Watkins was a bust in Buffalo. Sullivan was a backup with the Redskins. Kupp isn't exactly AJ Green. Whit was a nice add, but you don't go from freaking 32nd to 1st (they more than doubled their point total) just by adding Whitworth and 3 decent players. 

The real difference was that Fisher couldn't get the best out of Goff. His system was primitive and predictable. But don't take my word for it. Todd Gurley called it a "middle school offense" during the 2016 season:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rams-jared-goff-says-hes-living-with-bears-mitch-trubisky-this-offseason/

In the same article, there is a quote from Jordan Howard criticizing the Bears offense in 2017, saying the offense was "basic" and defenses "knew what we were going to do". So out went (defensive minded) John Fox, and in with (offensive minded) Matt Nagy. The Bears mimicked the Rams. Why? Coaching matters. A lot. 

(10-22-2018, 05:55 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: You're gonna sit here and tell me that adding Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods was heralded as adding great talent?
Woods had 12 TDs in 4 years in Buffalo. Never had more than 700 receiving yards until last year.
Watkins had a great year in 2015, but fell of drastically outside of that year.

The Rams had the WORST offense in football in 2015 AND 2016.
Then they rank 10th in the NFL the next year. That doesn't just change in one year unless things change overall. Sure. Players help.
But you really think the Rams are gonna have a top 10 offense under Jeff Fisher with that team?
Because facts would prove otherwise.
The best year they had on offense, they ranked 23rd in the NFL. In 2012.
From 2013-16 they ranked in the bottom five. And again, in case you forgot, were ranked dead last in the NFL for two straight years.

To the second point: The Bengals have had an elite group of players. And guess how many playoff wins they've won with inept coaching?

The following players have been All-Pros (first and second team) from those playoff years from 2011-15:
Geno Atkins (3x), Andre Smith, AJ Green (3x), Vontaze Burfict, Adam Jones, Kevin Huber, Andrew Whitworth (2x), Reggie Nelson

That's eight different players playing at elite levels. Three of them doing it multiple years.

You have a team with AJ Green, Tyler Eifert, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Adam Jones, Vontze Burfict, Reggie Nelson, Andrew Whitworth, and many others. And you can't win ONE playoff game?
Or beat the Steelers more than three times in those five years?

(10-22-2018, 05:34 PM)thillan Wrote: His knee injury was non-contact in practice..

(10-22-2018, 05:26 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Mcvay- the team improved their offensive line and weapons drastically last season. Cooper Kupp, Andrew Whitworth, Sammy Watkins( replaced with Brandin cooks) , and John  Sullivan.  They basically did the exact opposite of what we have done in the past two offseasons.  So if you want to ignore the mass talent that has arrived in LA  and give all the credit to the boy wonder than go ahead. It however doesn't make you any less wrong.

Lazor vs Zampese- I like what Lazor has done I do but let's be honest here. Exept for the second Ravens game we're we scored 31 points against aagood defense. we scored only 21 points total against the Jaguars, Bears, and Vikings. So good Defenses figured us out with Lazor as well.  Also against the Ravens in the first Game Dalton missed a wide open Core that would have been a TD and had two turnovers in the red zone.

Also pointing out I have never said coaching is meaningless but at the same time I would rather have an elite group of players than an elite coach any day of the week.

(10-22-2018, 06:21 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Really taking quotes from players is all we need to know about who is a good or bad coach? Every player is going to boost up the new coach and talk bad about the old coach after they left.
Adding Whitworth alone made a bigger difference than mcvay and no Watkins wasn't a bust in Buffalo so adding him was a major upgrade to that team.



 Wood's, Cupp, and Watkins we're a lot better than what they had than Austin, Quick, and whomever. Also Whit and Sullivan we're a lot better than what they had on the offensive line. They added 5 new quality players to their offensive team. They pretty much redid there WR core from the year prior that's very significant.

Thirdly Wolf we made the playoffs 5 straight years compare that to the rest of the league and tell me how were we stacked in comparison. Also how many playoff games has mcvay won as a head coach and coordinator? Does that make him less of a coach if he doesn't win one this year? 

(10-23-2018, 08:39 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The quote from Gurley came when Fisher was still the head coach. So try again. Me, wolf, wyche and others have given you plenty of evidence why coaching/scheme is a huge deal. The SI article I linked goes into great detail on how McVay's schemes have greatly helped the Rams offense.

As to the players they added - again - outside of Whit, none of those guys were great players. You don't go from 32nd to 1st just by adding a small handful of players. If it were that easy, every losing team that "wins free agency" would experience a quick turnaround. Instead, it's usually the team that strikes gold with a coach.

(10-23-2018, 09:50 PM)Synric Wrote: Coaching is very important. If it wasn't why would they need classrooms? Why would they watch tape?

Because there's so much to learn. Coaching is very very VERY important.

(10-24-2018, 06:16 AM)Wyche Wrote: Tape? We don't need no stinkin tape! It's Madden out there kid....all you need is high talent rating.

(10-23-2018, 09:14 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: No you haven't all you have done is given some BS article and flat out exaggerated scouting reports on players to fit your narrative.
Watkins had 1000 yard season in Buffalo with 9 TDs while missing 3 games in his second season in Buffalo. He also nearly had a 1000 yard season his rookie season with 6 TDs. His third season he only played 8 games due to injury. He was know where near a bust in Buffalo. Also if Watkins was just some guy then why did the Rams trade a first RD pick for Cooks to replace him?
Whit is a HOF LT who replaced a guy who was compareable to our 2015 1st Rd pick. That's a huge difference not a little difference.
Wood's was a solid player in Buffalo  similar to what Sanu was with us. Superstar maybe not but he was significantly better than what the Rams had before hand.
Sullivan- has been one of the best Centers in the NFL since he arrived in the NFL it was a huge get for the Rams.
Mcvay didn't sign a bunch of Garbage Players and turn them into superstars. Does he deserve credit of course but there a lot of coaches out there that could have done the same thing.

(10-26-2018, 12:26 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Watson with a 5 TD game tonight...

(10-26-2018, 01:53 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: ...and still has the same amount of TD's as Dalton, despite playing 1 more game.

(10-26-2018, 05:30 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Just saying, Watson had a 5 TD 0 INT game last night against a Miami defense that our offense didn’t look all that great against. Watson seems to be trending up having won 5 games in a row now, and has a PR of 98.4.

I’m hoping Dalton has a big game against TB though.

(10-26-2018, 09:11 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He's definitely trending up after a rocky start. It's also a good sign that he's staying healthy. Losing Fuller might hurt though. They had a special connection.

We had a rough couple of weeks in games that we usually play rough in. That said, we (including Andy) should rebound big time against a team like Tampa. If we don't, I'd say this team is mentally defeated. 

(10-06-2018, 01:13 PM)whodey4life84 Wrote: Mahomes will have to play the whole year like this. Week 10 that nonsense will stop working for the Chiefs and they will collapse like always. Just like every year it's the Patriots are done yada yada yada. Mahomes looks like an Aaron Rodgers but you cant judge anyone off of just a few games.