(03-22-2016, 12:01 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Hmmm....Me thinks you may not fully understand what I said....But I say go with it.  Just do us all a favor and get your cellphone out and record that conversation.

(03-22-2016, 06:49 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Oh, I know.  I was just playing on the words a bit.

The person stated that Evolution is as much a theory as Gravity is.

Last I checked, it is called the Law of Gravity, not Theory of Gravity.

So it was a bit of a play there.

(03-21-2016, 11:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What is the origin of life from which we have evolved?

(03-22-2016, 12:12 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I wasn't mocking you.  Just seemed like something I could try.  

(03-22-2016, 10:15 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You might want to raise Robots; everyone does not.

(03-22-2016, 10:16 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Sounds like an "evolutionist trick". Where did these molecules come from?

(03-22-2016, 10:35 AM)bfine32 Wrote: We had to evolve from something didn't we? perhaps it comes up everytime because they are related.

it seems everytime (yes every time) we discuss abortion a women's rights comes up.

(03-22-2016, 10:42 AM)bfine32 Wrote: There's also this part you left out:

 A theory may become obsolete with time and be replaced by a better one. A law, however, is a universally observable fact. It is undeniable and never fades away with the stretch of time.

Read more: Difference Between Theory and Law | Difference Between | Theory vs Law http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/culture-miscellaneous/difference-between-theory-and-law/#ixzz43dg38TPU



It's an old "evolutionist trick" to make folks believe a Theory is more scientifically sound than a Law.

(03-22-2016, 11:59 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm using that next time I get pulled over.  "Look there is a law of speeding, but there is also a theory of speeding, and if you write that ticket you may as well stamp 'moron' across your forehead."

(03-22-2016, 12:26 PM)Beaker Wrote: And that will go over just as well as saying "I'm speeding because god told me to speed". Let us know how that turns out for you.

(03-22-2016, 12:23 PM)Beaker Wrote: Giving your children clear directions they can follow = raising robots? How about giving your children unclear directions that result in them never knowing what's true = irresponsible parenting?


This is where you fall off the discussion every single time. Evolution does not exclude the possibility of a higher power. Evolution does not adress how life arose. It simply lays out how life has proceeded since it arose. The other thing you consistently do is try to make your point by trying to shoot down evolution instead of presenting any tangible evidence at all to support creationism. Try sticking to the topic/evidence and providing something as evidence that shows things like a tailbone and vestigal ear muscles do not point to humans evolving.



Where you're wrong is your definition of soundness. You are trying to imply the fact that an old theory may be modified or replaced is a weakness. It is actually one of the strengths of science. Science is willing to change in the face of new evidence. The same cannot be said about religion. As humanity advances and invents new tools with which to conduct research and investigations, new discoveries are inevitable. We can see and find things now that previous generations could not. The fact of incorporating new, previously unavailable evidence into older models is a good thing.

Theories offer explanations, laws do not. Both have a place and function within the scope of scientific investigation. Too bad religion cannot be open minded to incorporating new evidence as it becomes available. Sticking with the flat Earth model would look pretty silly in science right about now. Maybe religion should take its cue from science and modify some of its obviously outdated concepts also.

(03-22-2016, 12:17 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Look up the theory of abiogenesis.

(03-22-2016, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The Bible mentioned a round earth long before science did. So there is that.
 
 
As to the rest; I've never disputed that man evolved from a lesser developed man. My mere contention is that man did not evolve from a rock that turned into a fish ....

(03-22-2016, 01:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I am aware of the theory of abiogenesis. Thanks for bringing it up to demonstarte how little proof is required to form a theory.

(03-22-2016, 01:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: And no one else has ever said that is what happened.

(03-22-2016, 01:21 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: You apparently aren't very knowledgeable about the theory then. You should look up the Miller Urey experiment

(03-22-2016, 01:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure they have. Done so in this very thread

(03-22-2016, 12:12 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: I guess you have never heard of the theory of Gravity then.

(03-22-2016, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The Bible mentioned a round earth long before science did. So there is that.
 

Quote:The passage saying the earth is round is Isaiah 40:22:

Quote:He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Quote:

1. This passage may reasonably be interpreted as referring to a flat circular earth with the heavens forming a dome above it. Such an interpretation is consistent with other passages of the Bible which refer to a solid firmament (Gen. 1:6-20, 7:11; Ezekiel 1:22-26; Job 9:8, 22:14, etc.). It is also consistent with the cosmology common in neighboring cultures. 
   
   Isaiah 11:12 refers to the "four quarters of the earth", but we do not take that as indicative of the earth's shape. 
2. The shape of the earth may already have been known in Isaiah's time. Ancient astronomers could determine that the earth was round by observing its circular shadow move across the moon during lunar eclipses. There is some suggestion that the Egyptians knew of the earth's spherical size and shape around 2550 B.C.E. (more than a thousand years before Moses). The Greek philosopher Pythagoras, who was born in 532 B.C.E., defended the spherical theory on the basis of observations he had made of the shape of the sun and moon (Uotila 1984). If this information was known by educated Greeks and Egyptians during biblical times, its use by Isaiah is nothing special.
   

(03-22-2016, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Salvation is a Law; there are a number of Theories as to how to obtain it.

(03-22-2016, 01:50 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I see this thread has come a long way since the first page. I think the misunderstanding from that first page comes primarily from a belief that evolution has primarily occurred in the last 200 years when in reality a lot of these traits were lost well before the first ***** sapiens walked the Earth 200,000 years ago. The first hominid to no longer need this ability most likely existed millions of years ago.

As we evolved to stand on two feet, we were able to stand above tall grasses and see more. We no longer have to rely on hearing, a function far more important in animals who are not able to see as far. We also became more intelligent and capable of using tools and weapons to defend ourselves from animals that once were our predators. Really smart social animals who can use tools don't need a lot of the natural defenses.

(03-22-2016, 02:02 PM)Beaker Wrote: I am sure some would claim that since we have binocular vision with eyes in front, and cannot see in as wide an arc as prey animals with eyes on the sides of their heads, that that would be evidence that our vision has gotten worse.