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RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 08:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: If forced to choose I would take the first two. We have quality and affordability now. Most socialist medicine countries fall into the max coverage and affordability. I believe it's Norway (maybe Sweden can't recall atm) they force you to spend a % of your total income on medical costs/insurance. I am not a fan of this plan or Obamacare. It's a partial fix but for me it doesn't go far enough. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 09:37 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: For 80% of the country, insurance is broken in to two areas: what your employer offers or what the government provides. So let's take away the regulations on insurance and allow people to buy what they need to get covered. I agree we need to fix the issues but maybe the solution isn't move regulations on top of the current regulations. Let's pull some back so we can buy what we need. I don't like how it's employer based. It should be like car insurance where we can shop around. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:37 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We have quality and affordability now. ![]() http://www.ajmc.com/contributor/julie-potyraj/2016/02/the-quality-of-us-healthcare-compared-with-the-world/ Quote:Although the United States is often viewed as having some of the best healthcare in the world, the validity of this assertion has been called into question for a number of years. A 2009 analysis from the Urban Institute found that the quality of healthcare in America at that time was a bit of a “mixed bag”—faring relatively well in areas such as cancer care, but lagging in mortality rates from treatable and preventable diseases. https://mha.gwu.edu/blog/us-health-care-vs-the-world-2016/ ![]() There is no need to continue this discussion if you want to just make stuff up. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Belsnickel - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:37 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We have quality and affordability now. Yeah, no. We are very expensive and extremely inefficient with our health care. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:37 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We have quality and affordability now. If it is so affordable why are so many complaining about the cost and why do so many go without care? In another thread you claimed we need to get rid of Medicaid because they get opioids for free. When I pointed out Medicaid won't pay for the opioid prescriptions I write, you complained we should get rid of Medicaid because they don't get opioids for free. TLDR version: YOU: get rid of Medicaid because they get shit for free ME: no, they don't YOU: get rid of Medicaid because they DON'T get shit for free That's all of your arguments about everything in a nutshell. Contradictory because they are devoid of any informed opinions. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:40 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So let's take away the regulations on insurance and allow people to buy what they need to get covered. Where have I EVER claimed we need more regulation? For once, try to have an honest conversation. Let's take away all the regulations on child labor and let the free market sort it out? That's why we need regulation. Note, I didn't claim more. I also didn't claim none. In 2015, Americans spent $21 billion on OTC supplements that are nothing more than placebo. Studies show only 10% of these products actually contain what the manufacturers claims is in the product in the amounts listed, 80% lie about the amounts contained, while 10% don't contain ANY of the listed ingredients. Why? Corporate greed. You remove all insurance regulation and you'll be buying an insurance policy full of placebo. Don't give me that free market will sort it out crap because companies like Airborne are still in business making millions. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: Make stuff up is all he ever does. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 12:06 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Where have I EVER claimed we need more regulation? Going to single payer. Or "fixing" Obamacare is not deregulating anything. It's just adding more. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: So you are claiming that America isn't the leader in specialized care? Let's be honest medical cost is all about specialized care. I saw the one part of your gif or whatever you posted about shots for children. You do realize that parents can choose to not give shots here.... For instance in Belarus every child gets shots because the government pays women a salary for three years so they can raise their child. If they miss any medical appointment they lose their Salary. So people don't miss. If this debate was just over basic care then so be it.... open up government clinics and let people walk in and out. For basic care and checkups. Then they pay for specialists. But we have jimmy kimmel going on and on about specialized heart issues that no insurance covers for all in the world. Everywhere else they would be subjected to rationing. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Yojimbo - 09-21-2017 Okay, I’m going to need this explained to me. Repeal Obomacare because healthcare should be a state rights issue or “I don’t think states should have the authority to take money from the taxpayer.”? https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/so-much-for-states-rights-gop-senator-wants-to-ban-state-single-payer-in-new-health-care-bill.html John Kennedy plans to use the most recent effort to repeal and replace portions of the Affordable Care Act to push an amendment that would bar states from enacting their own single-payer systems, he told reporters on Monday. When asked by The Intercept on Tuesday about the status of his legislation, Kennedy said that the bill’s co-sponsors, Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Bill Cassidy, R-La., told him that the measure already bans single payer, but that he was welcome to offer his amendment either way. “I don’t think states should have the authority to take money from the American taxpayer and set up a single-payer system,” Kennedy said. “Now some people think that that’s inconsistent with the idea of flexibility. But that’s what the United States Congress is for. I very much believe in flexibility, and I know the governors want flexibility. But it’s our job to make sure that that money is properly spent.” RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Going to single payer. Or "fixing" Obamacare is not deregulating anything. It's just adding more. You're so misinformed it's comical. I have to deal with dozens of insurance plans. They all have different rules and regulations. Different states have different rules and regulations. Different companies have different rules and regulations. The same company has different policies with different rules and regulations. The same policy within the same company can have different prescription plans with different rules and regulations. And they change the rules and regulations every year. Hell, earlier this week I had to read through two prescription plans for one company for one state, 147 pages and 186 pages of rules and regulations just for prescriptions for one insurance plan for one company in one state just to find the answer for one prescription. Single payer means one set of rules and regulations. Not dozens upon dozens x 50. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-21-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:21 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So you are claiming that America isn't the leader in specialized care? "Let's be honest" Hilarious. Earlier today in the memes thread, I showed the cost of medical treatment for a broken forearm is 630% more expensive in the US compared to Australia and that wouldn't involve ANY specialized care. I'm amazed at how little you know doesn't stop you from making up so much shit, Mr. Jerome Let'sBeHonest. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - BmorePat87 - 09-22-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:58 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Okay, I’m going to need this explained to me. Repeal Obomacare because healthcare should be a state rights issue or “I don’t think states should have the authority to take money from the taxpayer.”? I think some truly disagree with the mandate on a philosophical level. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - ballsofsteel - 09-22-2017 Those gutless misguided so called conservative Republicans in congress are so desperate for a "win" that they are trying to get any kind of health bill passed no matter how bad it is or how much it hurts people. They don't want to fix what is in place because it was a Democrat plan. They have tried this 50- 60 times. In any other business these bums would be terminated for their incompetence. This should outrage every American citizen. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 09-22-2017 (09-21-2017, 10:21 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So you are claiming that America isn't the leader in specialized care? I am claiming that overall the US does not have "quality and affordability" as you claimed. The rest about "specialized care" is just moving the goal posts to CYA. Other countries provide more coverage for less money and have equal or better quality. Now let the spinning begin again... ![]() RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 09-22-2017 (09-22-2017, 06:48 AM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Those gutless misguided so called conservative Republicans in congress are so desperate for a "win" that they are trying to get any kind of health bill passed no matter how bad it is or how much it hurts people. They don't want to fix what is in place because it was a Democrat plan. They have tried this 50- 60 times. In any other business these bums would be terminated for their incompetence. This should outrage every American citizen. From what I have read the ACA is basically a Republican plan presented decades ago, but not all republicans liked it then either. Mind you not "exactly" the same plan, but the bones of it. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 09-22-2017 Quote:As if the urge to pass something that the public and the experts have universally rejected wasn’t bad enough, an explosive report published by Politico serves to amplify the ridiculousness of the Graham-Cassidy situation. At every step along the way, Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, has also rejected most attempts at repeal-and-replace legislation. You might recall that Murkowski’s vote in late July was one of three votes that killed the GOP’s skinny repeal bill, and it looks like Murkowski will be a “no” again when Graham-Cassidy comes up for a vote next week. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 09-22-2017 (09-20-2017, 08:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Even the POTUS doesn't know what's in it.
RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Belsnickel - 09-22-2017 (09-22-2017, 06:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: From what I have read the ACA is basically a Republican plan presented decades ago, but not all republicans liked it then either. Yeah, it was concocted by the Heritage Foundation. The was the most conservative way to increase health care coverage for the population. The GOP is just mad because it has Obama's name on it. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - BmorePat87 - 09-22-2017 http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/politics/john-mccain-health-care/index.html?sr=fbCNNp092217john-mccain-health-care0202PMStory&CNNPolitics=fb McCain is a "no". Looks like the GOP is back to the drawing board. |