(06-25-2018, 05:47 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Agree with them in general.  It would be nearly impossible to find someone who agreed with someone else entirely.  But her job is to advance the White House line whenever she speaks in public.  Like every other press secretary in our lifetime.  

(06-25-2018, 06:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is different.  People who understand the law know it is different.

Race, religion, country of origin, and sex are protected classes under the Civil Rights Act.  Disability and age have also been protected by subsequent laws.  You can not discriminate against a person just because they are a member of one of these classes.

Sarah Sanders is not a member of a protected class, Republicans are not a minority or an oppressed group that need protection under the law.  But even then there is no proof that this restaurant discriminates against all Republicans.  Instead they specifically disagree with the policies that Sanders defends regarding discrimination against gays in the military.

(06-25-2018, 06:54 PM)Dill Wrote: The job of the press secretary is to represent the administration's policies to the public, so there is really no role for "personal" variations or criticisms of policy in that job. Or there would be chaos.  I think everyone understands that.

(06-25-2018, 06:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: She defends and promotes Trumps policies in public.  That is where the damage is done.  So that is why they refused to serve her.

It does not matter if you personally agree with an anti-gay policy if you fight to get it implemented.  You are still helping to do the damage.

You could just as well argue that Goebbles was not a Nazi, but his propaganda helped the Third Reich murder millions of people.  So he deserves to be judged by what he did.  Same with Sanders.

(06-25-2018, 09:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well that lady that called for Trump to be impeached his 2nd day in office and was upset about Russia invading Korea would be proud of many on here:





She calls for folks to make a scene and of course is still calling for impeachment.

(06-25-2018, 10:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: Do people on the right have to talk about everything she says?

We should focus on the things she does.

Quote:"I strongly disagree with those who advocate harassing folks if they don't agree with you," the New York senator said during a floor speech. "If you disagree with a politician, organize your fellow citizens to action and vote them out of office. But no one should call for the harassment of political opponents. That's not right. That's not American." - (D) Chuck Schumer

(06-25-2018, 10:41 PM)Millhouse Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/chuck-schumer-maxine-waters-harassment-trump-officials/index.html

Quote:After White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was ousted from a Lexington, Virginia, restaurant named Red Hen, unaffiliated businesses are finding themselves the unsuspecting victims in a national uproar over business and politics.


A Washington, D.C., hot spot in the quaint Bloomingdale neighborhood that goes by the same name was egged over the weekend and has been scrambling to clarify that it is not the Red Hen.  


A Red Hen restaurant in New Jersey is also caught up in the tumult, as is a book publishing company called Red Hen Press.  


The three restaurants and literary press are completely unaffiliated, but that hasn't stopped a backlash that started after the Friday incident at the rustic farm-to-table eatery about 200 miles from Washington, D.C.


Owner Stephanie Wilkinson — of the Lexington Red Hen — told The Washington Post that her staff called her at home to ask what to do after Sanders entered the restaurant. Wilkinson said some staffers have problems with the Trump administration on gay rights and other issues.
Wilkinson said she told Sanders the restaurant must uphold standards such as honesty, compassion and cooperation.

Quote:
[/url]The Red Hen@RedHenDC

Good morning! @PressSec went to the unaffiliated @RedHenLex last night, not to our DC-based restaurant.
10:25 AM - Jun 23, 2018

Alysa Turner, communications director for Red Hen in the nation's capital, said the Italian-influenced American restaurant learned of the Sanders incident Saturday morning when managers received their first message at about 10 a.m. The company was also contacted by the owner of the Lexington location.


Since then, Red Hens everywhere have been bombarded with hundreds of Facebook comments, Yelp reviews and Twitter posts.
And President Donald Trump didn't make things any easier, tweeting Monday about the incident without clarifying the location. 

Quote:
Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump

The Red Hen Restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors and windows (badly needs a paint job) rather than refusing to serve a fine person like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I always had a rule, if a restaurant is dirty on the outside, it is dirty on the inside!
7:41 AM - Jun 25, 2018

The D.C. eatery has been trying to set the record straight even though Sanders clarified the location where she was evicted in her initial tweet.
"Our priority right now is safety of our employees and getting things back to normal," Turner said.


The D.C. Red Hen is having a little fun, too, firing back with GIFs and clever responses, largely to Twitter users who still don't believe the two aren't affiliated. 

Quote:
Diane@Dianezona

24 Jun
Replying to @RedHenDC and 2 others
Have to affiliated... same twitter page

Quote:
The Red Hen@RedHenDC
It’s not. You can see that there are separate twitter handles above. Just the same name. Just like you’re not Diane Keaton. pic.twitter.com/ucEBMDbJvv
9:36 AM - Jun 24, 2018

The D.C. restaurant is comparing the names of the Twitter users to that of other famous people to point out the flaw in the same name argument.

Quote:
GiGi @GGgirl34

24 Jun
Replying to @jimbobjoe9 and 4 others
Says Mike with 2 followers

Quote:
The Red Hen@RedHenDC

pic.twitter.com/T1cM1yNLFe
9:33 AM - Jun 24, 2018

Red Hen Press joined in on Twitter as well.

Quote:
Red Hen Press@RedHenPress
.@RedHenDC and @RedHenPress checking on twitter after @RedHenLex refused service to Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
2:25 PM - Jun 25, 2018

The Bloomingdale restaurant is also taking heat from some for not taking a stance on the issue.


In a tweet and Facebook post, Red Hen said it couldn't refuse service to anyone under the D.C. Human Rights Act, which "makes discrimination illegal based on 20 protected traits for people that live, visit or work in the District of Columbia," including political affiliation.

Quote:
Mazin Al-Eshaiker@MazinAlEshaiker

23 Jun
Replying to @RedHenDC and 2 others
Please make a public statement condemning her action and welcoming all Americans to all your other branches...

Quote:
The Red Hen@RedHenDC
You have the wrong restaurant. Separate companies separate businesses separate owners no affiliation. That one is in Virginia. Businesses in DC are prohibited from discriminating against people for political affiliation because we are a federal district.
[url=https://twitter.com/RedHenDC/status/1010649723156553728]6:24 PM - Jun 23, 2018

 

(06-25-2018, 11:14 PM)GMDino Wrote:
Now can we get some Republicans to take a stand for decency? 

(06-26-2018, 10:18 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I also read an opinion piece, though just now. Here it is: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html

Agree or disagree with it, I really don't care. The main point of the piece is that things like this aren't because civility is breaking down, it is because democracy is breaking down. One thing I can say for certain is that democracy is breaking down in this country. Our plutocratic government has for decades been increasingly ignoring the vast majority of the citizenry to pass laws and enact policies that favor their own. As the bottom 90% or more of the population fights with each other for a smaller and smaller piece of the economic pie here in the US, the wealthy keep racking up more profits and increasing their political influence. They make sure to keep people focused on immigration so that the white people beneath them keep their ire focused on the brown and black people instead of on the wealthy who are really responsible for their ills.

Societies operate in cycles. Always have, likely always will. Our founders tried to change that but some segments of society decided to ignore what they said and did. They made it strong, there is a reason we have the oldest written constitution still in use, today. I don't know how much longer it is going to last, though. I only hope the change comes via the ballot box.

(06-26-2018, 10:18 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I also read an opinion piece, though just now. Here it is: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html

Agree or disagree with it, I really don't care. The main point of the piece is that things like this aren't because civility is breaking down, it is because democracy is breaking down. One thing I can say for certain is that democracy is breaking down in this country. Our plutocratic government has for decades been increasingly ignoring the vast majority of the citizenry to pass laws and enact policies that favor their own. As the bottom 90% or more of the population fights with each other for a smaller and smaller piece of the economic pie here in the US, the wealthy keep racking up more profits and increasing their political influence. They make sure to keep people focused on immigration so that the white people beneath them keep their ire focused on the brown and black people instead of on the wealthy who are really responsible for their ills.

Societies operate in cycles. Always have, likely always will. Our founders tried to change that but some segments of society decided to ignore what they said and did. They made it strong, there is a reason we have the oldest written constitution still in use, today. I don't know how much longer it is going to last, though. I only hope the change comes via the ballot box.

Quote:A video of the confrontation, taken by progressive activist Timothy Heberlein of Organize Florida, shows several people shouting down Bondi as she leaves the theater escorted by law enforcement after seeing Won't You Be My Neighbor.

(06-26-2018, 11:00 AM)GMDino Wrote: Follow up now that I read it:

Brilliant.

Quote:There are only so many official channels for enforcing moral standards in American public life. One is elections, which happen pretty rarely, and, thanks to gerrymanders and the electoral college, frequently reward popular vote losers. Another is the law, where courts are increasingly stacked against the majority. That makes shame a potent weapon, and it’s little surprise that people invested in the status quo want those who are willing to use shame to unilaterally disarm.

(06-25-2018, 07:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  I think you actually need to be arguing with Matt; he says it's not because of political views.

(06-26-2018, 11:00 AM)GMDino Wrote: Follow up now that I read it:

Brilliant.

(06-26-2018, 11:37 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Of course you think it's brilliant.  She takes the burden off people who don't know how to be civil.