(08-21-2018, 01:58 PM)PhilHos Wrote:  I think the issue is that some people view certain actions as disrepectful whether intentional or not.

(08-21-2018, 09:41 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Teachers are part of this country. So are tax collectors. They all help maintain it, but no one suggests that kneeling during the anthem insults them. 

(08-21-2018, 01:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  There are millions of other people who helped make and maintain this country.  So why is disrespecting the flag just disrespecting military?

2.   If anyone saying anything bad about the country is disrespectful to the military then they should be ripping Trump a big one.  But instead the ones who feel disrespected seem to be on his side?  How does that make any sense?

(08-21-2018, 02:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The disrespect to the flag and the anthem are the same issue.  Vets claim that any disrespect to the flag is disrespect to them because the flag represents them instead of all Americans.

(08-21-2018, 02:12 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I get the argument. What I'm saying is at what point did this become about the flag and not hte anthem?

(08-21-2018, 02:12 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I get the argument. What I'm saying is at what point did this become about the flag and not hte anthem?

(08-21-2018, 02:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: To me it is the same issue.  People complaining about disrespecting the anthem are talking about disrespecting the flag during the anthem ceremony.  A lot of veterans claiming they feel disrespected because they "fought for that flag".

(08-21-2018, 02:29 PM)Benton Wrote: Ideally, it's not about either. It goes back to decades of peaceful protests. to draw attention to social issues (in this case, a supposedly disproportionate amount of unarmed black males shot by law enforcement). Not taking the back seat on the bus, crossing school lines, etc.

But... spinners made it all about the military and subpar NFL players because that's easier to address.

(08-21-2018, 03:04 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Let's be fair about this. It started because Colin Kaepernick sat on his ass instead of standing for the anthem. He made the claim AFTERWARDS that he sat in protest. To his credit, he took the advice levied his way that it'd be more respectful to kneel instead of sit.

(08-21-2018, 03:26 PM)Benton Wrote: Ok, I’ll be fair.

A couple players decided to peacefully protest. It got reported. That should have been the end of it and the issue they were protesting would’ve gone largely ubdiscussed by the end of the season, like most peaceful protests.

The alt right politicized the situation to gain support. “Hey, look, these overpaid athletes are disrespecting our military!” And from there it became a ridiculous political issue where people are reacting to how they feel overall about issues instead of the issues themselves.

(08-21-2018, 03:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Even then, the clamor seemed to die down towards the end of the season until Trump decided to open his fat mouth and insert his opinion where it wasn't needed nor wanted.

(08-21-2018, 03:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Even then, the clamor seemed to die down towards the end of the season until Trump decided to open his fat mouth and insert his opinion where it wasn't needed nor wanted.

(08-21-2018, 02:12 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I think all Americans should be insulted by the act, but clearly the sacrifice of some is greater than others.

Surely you guys wouldn't debate that...right?

(08-21-2018, 06:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I disagree that all Americans should be insulted by the act but I agree that some clearly sacrifice more than others. 

I just saw a hole in the logic that tied the military to the protests.

(08-22-2018, 09:18 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It's all about perception. For me, the flag and my service were almost synonymous. I took my Oath of Enlistment in front of it. It was a patch on my Uniform. It's draped over every member who gave his/her life.

You and others are free to feel differently (that's the glory of our country), but reality is that the flag (among many things) also serves as a symbol of our military. Without that deep sense of patriotism and pride in what the Flag represents, we couldn't maintain a voluntary force.

(08-23-2018, 11:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Why did Veteran organizations not care when NBA players wore "I can't Breathe' shirts?

Why did veteran organizations not care when the Rams came out with their "hands up"?

Just because something is not viewed disrespectful by you, doesn't mean it is not viewed as disrespectful to others and no matter how much "it's not disrespectful" is going to change that.

(08-23-2018, 12:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: Shouldn't that work the other way too?

If a group is offended and say "Hey!  I'm offended!" and the other group explains that they mean no offense and the intent was never/is not to disrespect the flag or the military shouldn't that be accepted?  Or at least a separate conversation from the original reason for the protest?

(08-23-2018, 12:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've already stated numerous times that there intent was not to be disrespectful.

(08-23-2018, 12:42 PM)GMDino Wrote: Then why are you still offended?

If the intent was not to be disrespectful.  They said it was not intended to be disrespectful.  There is no disrespect.

Why continue the line that it "was still disrespectful"?

Do you want a personal apology from Kaepernick, et al for you being offended due to your personal misrepresentation of them kneeling?