Quote:“The United States is running concentration camps on our Southern border and that is exactly what they are,” said the 29-year-old in her video. “They are concentration camps. And if that doesn’t bother you, I don’t… whatever… I want to talk to the people that are concerned enough with humanity to say that we should not… that ‘Never Again’ means something.”

(06-19-2019, 07:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Does calling this idiotic equal obsession:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-holocaust-immigrants-180631823.html

Quote:Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.

Quote:Definition of concentration camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard —used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners.

Quote:concentration camp
NOUN
A place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.

(06-19-2019, 08:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/concentration%20camp


https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/concentration_camp (Lexico is the Oxford English Dictionary)

Those are three rather definitive sources for our language, which is something I think all, or at least most, of us could agree to. Out of those three, the camps at the southern border could fit within the definition of two of them. The bolded part in the first one sets them apart from how Encyclopedia Britannica defines them. I would say that based on this it is a bit hasty to chastise AOC for the use of the term given how it could fit within those definitions.

(06-19-2019, 08:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I wonder if she was referring to webster's definition when she said "Never-again" or maybe, just maybe she was referring to what 99.99% of the population associate with the term concentration camps.  

But I'll put you down in the assertion is not ridiculous camp.

(06-19-2019, 08:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Feel free to. I find difficulty in seeing it ridiculous to use a word as it is defined.

(06-19-2019, 07:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Does calling this idiotic equal obsession:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-holocaust-immigrants-180631823.html

(06-19-2019, 09:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What's the definition of Never again? 

or is this one of those times context doesn't count

(06-19-2019, 09:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes.

I mean since people who were actually in concentration camps agree with her...but I'm sure you know better.  

(06-19-2019, 09:50 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I honestly don't know why you keep focusing on that. Context always matters in wording, but I fail to see how the use of the phrase somehow negates the definition. Is there some sort of singular meaning for the phrase "never again" that means it cannot be used to refer to concentration camps existing? That is what I would gather from the context of the whole quote.

(06-19-2019, 09:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Because "Never again" means she was using the term to refer to something in the past, not the definition by webster. 

How many people in historic concentration camps climbed walls to get there? 

To be honest. I just need to stop this back and forth and recognize it for what it is. Thanks.

(06-19-2019, 09:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes.

I mean since people who were actually in concentration camps agree with her...but I'm sure you know better.  

(06-19-2019, 10:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I assume you're talking about the Star Trek dude that was in an internment camp, not a concentration camp. look to Matt for definitions. 

(06-19-2019, 10:06 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I mean, concentration camps have happened numerous times in history, including Japanese internment camps here in the US. I don't deny the phrase refers to past events,  but I don't see how that makes her statement inaccurate in any way.

And who is climbing walls to get into concentration camps? They're climbing walls to get into this country, not to spend their days in these camps. But that requires a little intellectual honesty to see.

(06-19-2019, 08:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I wonder if she was referring to webster's definition when she said "Never-again" or maybe, just maybe she was referring to what 99.99% of the population associate with the term concentration camps.  

But I'll put you down in the assertion is not ridiculous camp.

Quote:The Japanese Internment Camps and the Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camps were very different besides the obvious reasons such as the different locations of the camps, internment camps in the United States and concentration camps being in Germany. The camps had different purposes, making the lives of the prisoners very different from each other.

(06-19-2019, 10:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah, we do have a shortage of that. There is 0 correlation between Nazi Concentration Camps, American Internment camps, and our holding facilities along the border. Of the 3 only one broke the law to get there voluntarily. The others were atrocities. 

But AOC's words did achieve their desired affect for many. You have rational Americans saying "yeah, there're pretty much the same". I just look at them and laugh. 

(06-19-2019, 10:14 PM)Dill Wrote: Hmmm. Are you the same Bfine who us currently having trouble seeing a connection between Trump's death penalty op ed and his continued accusation of the Central Park 5??

(06-19-2019, 10:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: For those that require literally definition:

https://campsduringww11.weebly.com/internment-vs-concentration-camps.html

(06-19-2019, 10:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Who is saying they are pretty much the same? Saying they fit the definition does not mean that they would be considered that similar. The definition of a concentration camp is pretty broad.