(02-23-2021, 01:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So more of ignoring the actual issues at hand and instead focusing on a hot-button issue to rile up voting bases? Seems about right.

(02-23-2021, 01:44 PM)Au165 Wrote: Yea, I am not so sure anything recently is changing anything. I think any sort of change would come from decades of declining gun ownership as a percentage of the population. That is probably still a generation or two away though before you would see something like that take hold enough to make changes occur.

(02-23-2021, 01:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I agree. Gun control is one of those money-making issues for the politicians so until they absolutely can't avoid it, they won't really do anything at the federal level.

(02-23-2021, 01:56 PM)Au165 Wrote: Again a tangent but kind of related. I saw an interesting proposal to fight against Citizens United by federally matching individual donations to campaigns under 1k from a single donor by up to 6x. The idea is turning a room full of Jane and Joe's into a much more lucrative lobbyist to pander to. I thought it was interesting and your bringing up money made me think about it.

(02-23-2021, 02:02 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Eh, Citizens United is less of a problem than Buckley v. Valeo. But even that doesn't play as big of a role as most people think.

(02-23-2021, 01:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So more of ignoring the actual issues at hand and instead focusing on a hot-button issue to rile up voting bases? Seems about right.

(02-23-2021, 10:42 AM)GMDino Wrote: AS another aside I was listening to some stuff about the mob on 1/6 and I got to thinking that they finally got their chance to "overthrow" the government that they didn't believe was legitimate (thanks to Trump's lying) and after a hour or so they gave up and left.

So much for that theory.

(02-23-2021, 02:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: When they are having to build walls around the White House and governors mansions I would say that IS the "actual issue at hand".  

For years the Department of Homeland security has been saying that domestic terrorism is a bigger threat than foreign terrorists.  Now that everyone is seeing it on the news people will start paying more attention.

I still see the problem as criminals having easy access to guns.  But people that lived in low crime neighborhoods generally did not worry too much about that.  Now that more of these criminals are middle class white guys threatening our elected officials instead of minority gang members killing each other public opinion is likely to shift.

(02-23-2021, 02:22 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: They let the woman go first then immediately retreated once she got capped.  

(02-23-2021, 02:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I mean they really did just go "eh, this is hard" and left.

And to your point they never fired back once someone got shot.

It's almost like they are cowards who aren't willing to die but want to act tough until there is the slightest resistance....like Trump.

I don't think it is a sign of how many people believed the big lie though.  Millions of those nuts still out there.  Probably also cowards.

(02-23-2021, 02:26 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I was speaking more to the problem being, as you mentioned, domestic terrorism being ignored, but also what caused the radicalization? Why are these people feeling so aggrieved? How are they so susceptible to these lies? How are these lies so easily spread?

Some of the insurrectionists may have been armed, but gun control wouldn't have prevented any of what happened on January 6th, including the pipe bombs.

(02-23-2021, 02:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I mean they really did just go "eh, this is hard" and left.

And to your point they never fired back once someone got shot.

It's almost like they are cowards who aren't willing to die but want to act tough until there is the slightest resistance....like Trump.

I don't think it is a sign of how many people believed the big lie though.  Millions of those nuts still out there.  Probably also cowards.

(02-24-2021, 02:33 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: This sorta reads like you're disappointed there wasn't a big gun battle and pitched fighting with large body counts.

Last I checked, wasn't not shooting people a good thing?

(02-24-2021, 02:33 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: This sorta reads like you're disappointed there wasn't a big gun battle and pitched fighting with large body counts.

Last I checked, wasn't not shooting people a good thing?

(02-24-2021, 01:49 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: This sorta reads like a strawman 

(02-24-2021, 03:10 AM)TheUberHuber Wrote: I thought Obama already took everyone's guns??

(02-24-2021, 01:49 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: This sorta reads like a strawman 

(02-24-2021, 01:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This is a strawman

(02-24-2021, 03:10 AM)TheUberHuber Wrote: I thought Obama already took everyone's guns??