(06-28-2024, 08:59 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: There is a second debate scheduled, correct? I wonder if some of this is the expectations game. Like not so much candidates sabotaging themselves but also not putting the effort in, including debate prep beforehand and being well rested before the debate (as president you have to make choices whether to spend attention on day to day things or clear your schedule before a debate).

First half football.

(06-28-2024, 01:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As much as I dislike Trump, the Dems need to be away from the levers of power for the next decade or so as recompense.  And they have no one but themselves to blame.

(06-28-2024, 09:23 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Giving the GOP 10 years of rule based upon sticking with Biden seems a bit much.  A second Biden term would mean democrats held the white house for 16 years over a 20 year span which seems pretty nuts, but lordy Trump getting another term and then sticking around or his VP getting 2 terms seems a bit daunting as well.

In my mind the 2022 midterm brought a lot of decent democrats into the national spotlight like Mark Kelly, Josh Shapiro, and Raphael Warnock...if democrats pivot to them or others of that standard for 2028 I would see the wisdom in just telling them to kick rocks in favor of president JD Vance or whomever because punishing democrats for their Biden boo-boo is more important.

With that being said, the DNC needs to strongly consider benching Biden and Harris, because it seems like they've had Newsom warming up on  the sidelines for this reason.

(06-28-2024, 09:30 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Newsome has done such a masterful job leading California into further disaster that they want him to be in charge of the entire Country??

(06-28-2024, 07:46 AM)pally Wrote: Th problem for the other side is I don’t think Trump won those swing voters last night

For as old that Joe looked Trump looked and sounded like he was living in an alternate reality

His performance was just as bad just in a different way

(06-28-2024, 09:56 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Didn't watch the debates (because I am not a masochist) but I did wake up this morning to a discord that is majority Demorcat voters, and they were all quite doom-and-gloom. Was it that bad for Biden? Because they are making it seem pretty bad.

(06-28-2024, 09:30 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Newsome has done such a masterful job leading California into further disaster that they want him to be in charge of the entire Country??

(06-28-2024, 07:46 AM)pally Wrote: Th problem for the other side is I don’t think Trump won those swing voters last night

For as old that Joe looked Trump looked and sounded like he was living in an alternate reality

His performance was just as bad just in a different way

(06-28-2024, 09:50 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: I am as never-Trump and even never-GOP-simping-for-Trump as they come, but there is no way to spin this as equally bad for Trump as it was for Biden. Trump was at least able to put words together. Biden was a geriatric deer in headlights. Yes, the words that Trump put together were his typical blatant lies and nonsense, but his electorate does not care. If his voters didn't ditch him after all of his failures until now, it's not his debate performance that will be a bridge too far. 

Biden, on the other hand, does not benefit from the same zealous fanaticism that Trump does. This debate performance gave even me reason to consider throwing my vote away to a candidate that is neither Biden nor Trump. In the end it doesn't much matter as I'm in a state that doesn't matter, but voters in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan etc. that saw the debacle are certainly thinking along the same lines. 

This was a worst-case scenario for our country. Like I said, America loses with these two incompetent f***s as the top candidates.

(06-28-2024, 10:43 AM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Sounds like I’m finally allowed to believe my lying eyes.

(06-28-2024, 10:50 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Hats off to CNN for running a proper debate. Outside of saving Biden once or twice when he was rambling, I think they were very professional and did an exceptional job. I wasn't expecting that at all.

As for Biden: He had a terrible debate. I am not celebrating today because what I saw last night was sad beyond measure. This guy has been abused by the left and probably should have been replaced/stepped down a year or two ago. As for his wife who see's him on the daily and still encourages him to keep going, I'm disgusted with her. That's abuse if you ask me.

As for Trump: He sucked. He totally avoided the question on affordable childcare and one other question because he was so wrapped up in attacking Joe. I really wanted to hear his answers to those questions. To me, I'm having a hard time choosing if he avoided on purpose or was just distracted.

When both candidates started arguing like children about golf? I literally facepalmed myself. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

My thoughts on who won the debate? RFK Jr.

(06-28-2024, 06:56 AM)hollodero Wrote: If the plan was to make me look idiotic in this thread, then it succeeded. You and our conservative friends got Biden right, I thought SOTU Biden was real, he is not.  That is a man apparently too old to run the country and there's no way around it any longer.
While Trump is still Trump, it's not like his performance was soothing. It's a disaster, brought to you by the rotten decaying two party system that needs to be thrown on the dunghill of history. No way around that too.

And if it really was a plan, then it's a lousy one. Why not convince Biden to not run a second time, that would have been a better plan.

(06-28-2024, 09:23 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Giving the GOP 10 years of rule based upon sticking with Biden seems a bit much.  A second Biden term would mean democrats held the white house for 16 years over a 20 year span which seems pretty nuts, but lordy Trump getting another term and then sticking around or his VP getting 2 terms seems a bit daunting as well.

In my mind the 2022 midterm brought a lot of decent democrats into the national spotlight like Mark Kelly, Josh Shapiro, and Raphael Warnock...if democrats pivot to them or others of that standard for 2028 I would see the wisdom in just telling them to kick rocks in favor of president JD Vance or whomever because punishing democrats for their Biden boo-boo is more important.

With that being said, the DNC needs to strongly consider benching Biden and Harris, because it seems like they've had Newsom warming up on  the sidelines for this reason.

(06-28-2024, 09:30 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Newsome has done such a masterful job leading California into further disaster that they want him to be in charge of the entire Country??

(06-28-2024, 11:35 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I believe I pointed Newsome out quite a long time ago.  Once he started vetoing the most far left legislation sent his way by our insane state government I knew he was prepping for a national run.  It was so out of character


No, and no one should.  The guy is an empty headed buffoon.  But he's young and has a certain charisma.  He'll be an unmitigated disaster as POTUS, especially given what he'll have to sacrifice/promise to power broker his way into getting the nod.

(06-28-2024, 11:35 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I believe I pointed Newsome out quite a long time ago.  Once he started vetoing the most far left legislation sent his way by our insane state government I knew he was prepping for a national run.  It was so out of character


No, and no one should.  The guy is an empty headed buffoon.  But he's young and has a certain charisma.  He'll be an unmitigated disaster as POTUS, especially given what he'll have to sacrifice/promise to power broker his way into getting the nod.