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RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - bfine32 - 05-27-2016 (05-27-2016, 03:05 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Which God? The one in which you truly believe in your heart to be God. There are those that may confess to believe in the Christian God, that do not and there's a chance the Buddha may be right an we simply reincarnate until we achieve Nirvana. I believe in my heart I am right; as there are others that believe their's is the right one. Mine tells me to profess with my mouth. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - SteelCitySouth - 05-27-2016 (05-27-2016, 03:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The one in which you truly believe in your heart to be God. There are those that may confess to believe in the Christian God, that do not and there's a chance the Buddha may be right an we simply reincarnate until we achieve Nirvana. Cool. As to the bold part. Okay, wasn't worried about that at all. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - JustWinBaby - 05-27-2016 (05-25-2016, 04:02 PM)Griever Wrote: how do they not realise these are stings? "girls under 18"....sounds legit RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Brownshoe - 05-28-2016 lol this thread RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - BigPapaKain - 05-31-2016 (05-27-2016, 12:02 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You asked no question in the post I quoted. You stated a curiosity towards a possible outcome, but asked no question. That's because the way my phone does punctuation is idiotic. Usually I catch it but when I'm in a hurry to post something (the boss walking my way usually) I forget. It was an implied question. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - PhilHos - 05-31-2016 (05-27-2016, 12:25 PM)GMDino Wrote: Don't pretend to be holier, purer, better, whatever when you are not. Pretty much agreed, however it needs to be said that not everyone that seeks the betterment of society for whatever reasons is doing so from the standpoint of that they are "holier, purer, better," etc. Most pastors that I know would never claim to be better than anyone else and any preaching against sin they do is often from the standpoint of their own failings. I recognize, however, that the religious people found and quoted in the media and pretty much every politician may not be as genuinely humble. I just wanted to point out that the church is for the sinners. Christians and christian leaders may not always get that (and I know for a fact that many churches do NOT), but that's the truth. As to the last part of your quote I, uh, quoted, I agree completely. Any and all persons who has harmed a child and any and all persons who has helped cover up said harm should be punished up to the fullest extent possible under law. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - PhilHos - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:25 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: That's because the way my phone does punctuation is idiotic. Usually I catch it but when I'm in a hurry to post something (the boss walking my way usually) I forget. I presume this was your "impled question": One has to wonder how long they can claim they're morally right when things like this are being thrust into the public eye with disturbing regularity. Allow me to 'answer' it. "They" will always claim they're morally right. We're talking about a small segment (that is still far too many) whose actions are inconsistent with what they purportedly believe and supposedly practice. Christianity and its followers claim they're morality not from their own actions and not even from their leaders (Catholic Christians, notwithstanding) but rather from the Bible. Make your claims about the Bible all you want, but the Bible, outside of translations into different languages and modernizing the language, has remained virtually unchanged since its inception. So, until the Bible is no longer the basis for Christianity morality, then "they" will always claim morality to being on their side. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - BigPapaKain - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:12 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I presume this was your "impled question": Yeah that was it. But bugger to that 'the Bible...has remained unchanged since its inception' is bunk. I don't remember the King offhand (Henry something....probably Henry VIII) but he had all the parts about prematurely ending marriages removed from the Bible just so he could have an annulment. And that's just one of the better known situations - how often do you think kings and queens altered the Bible to suit their needs? Do you think their kids would fix it? Now imagine those changes just kind of staying in place for generations - coupled with book burnings - they just kind of stick. Now unless you can find and decipher every single Dead Sea Scroll (many of which are lost), you can't really say the Bible is now as it was originally written. Hell the modern Bible is literally called the King James Bible. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Belsnickel - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:21 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Hell the modern Bible is literally called the King James Bible. Well, two different versions, the KJV and NKJV. I remember the argument with someone about that on the old board where they said the KJV was infallible and I pointed out a difference between it and the oldest original manuscript we have for some parts and that there was something in the KJV that wasn't in that. They refused to believe it even though it was right in front of them. It was something as small as The Lord's Prayer Doxology, but it is an example of additions by man over the years. I personally prefer the NRSV, but each translation/version has its pros and cons. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - PhilHos - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:21 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Yeah that was it. First off, that's why I said "virtually" unchanged. The Bible as we know it today is extremely similar to the first Bibles put together like the one at the Council of Nicea. Secondly, the modern Bible is NOT the King James Version. Yes, some people and denominations still use it, but by and large the vast majority of American churches (can't speak for other countries) use the New International Version. This version is NOT based on the KJV at all. It was a group of over 20 (forget the exact number) scholars working from the oldest manuscripts and copies of manuscripts and re-translating the Hebrew and Greek into modern (well, modern by 70s and 80s standards) English. Lastly, every time a discovery like the Dead Sea scrolls are found, it only shows how remarkably accurate todays Bibles are. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - PhilHos - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:30 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, two different versions, the KJV and NKJV. I remember the argument with someone about that on the old board where they said the KJV was infallible and I pointed out a difference between it and the oldest original manuscript we have for some parts and that there was something in the KJV that wasn't in that. They refused to believe it even though it was right in front of them. It was something as small as The Lord's Prayer Doxology, but it is an example of additions by man over the years. Yep. I personally still prefer the NIV. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Belsnickel - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:46 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Yep. I personally still prefer the NIV. That was what I grew up with. I was introduced to the NRSV when researching denominations and have found it very easy to read, which is nice. But, it is often seen as the Bible of us "hippie progressive" Christians because fo the gender neutral language and what not. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - PhilHos - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:52 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That was what I grew up with. I was introduced to the NRSV when researching denominations and have found it very easy to read, which is nice. But, it is often seen as the Bible of us "hippie progressive" Christians because fo the gender neutral language and what not. Yeah, I grew up with the NIV (even if some of the more popular verses like John 3:16 I say in the KJV) and I can be kind of a traditionalist so I just stuck with it. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2016 Typical "this guy wasn't a christian, a christian would never do this" whitewashing. Followed by "anyone who does this should be punished to the maximum extent of the law" horn tooting. So christians get a pass and we deal with incidents like this with laws that are already on the books. Meanwhile transgendered individuals are told by christians (who may or may not be pedophiles) they need to use the bathroom that makes everyone more uncomfortable to PREEMPTIVELY avoid crimes christians are actively committing. Got it. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2016 Meanwhile other christian pedophiles spend milliions to limit the civil rights of their own child sex victims. How can they get get any of this done with the crushing anxiety that someone with a different organ might take a shit next to them someday in the future? Quote:EXCLUSIVE: Catholic Church spent $2M on major N.Y. lobbying firms to block child-sex law reform RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - GMDino - 06-01-2016 (06-01-2016, 05:09 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Meanwhile other christian pedophiles spend milliions to limit the civil rights of their own child sex victims. From the article: Quote:The Catholic Conference has argued that opening a one-year window to revive old cases could ultimately bankrupt the Church. ![]() RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2016 (06-01-2016, 05:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: From the article: Nothing like giving tax-empt entities the power to shape public policy they do nothing to contribute into. Even better when it involves long standing cover up of child abuse. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Griever - 06-02-2016 (05-27-2016, 12:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you say so. However, this particiular instance was about folks folks mocking religion, by associating two criminals with it. I will speak out against those who mock religion every time; as my personal belief is that that sacrilege is the one unpardonable sin. no im pretty sure blasphemy against the holy ghost is the unpardonable sin RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - Belsnickel - 06-02-2016 (06-02-2016, 09:23 AM)Griever Wrote: no im pretty sure blasphemy against the holy ghost is the unpardonable sin Rejection of the Holy Spirit is unpardonable because you are not accepting Jesus as the savior of man. If you feel genuine remorse, guilt, what have you for sin then it is forgiven, even if you feel you are not worthy of the forgiveness. It is those that continue to sin, without remorse, that would find their sins unforgiven. At least that is the theological interpretations I have seen. RE: Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting - XenoMorph - 06-02-2016 (06-02-2016, 09:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Rejection of the Holy Spirit is unpardonable because you are not accepting Jesus as the savior of man. If you feel genuine remorse, guilt, what have you for sin then it is forgiven, even if you feel you are not worthy of the forgiveness. It is those that continue to sin, without remorse, that would find their sins unforgiven. At least that is the theological interpretations I have seen. Nope pretty sure this dude burns in your pretty little hell |