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RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 11:46 AM)michaelsean Wrote: He only had more than 100 grams once when he was stopped. Well he had 2 lbs this time so what's the point? It looks like the guy was murdered. That's illegal if the victim is clean or not. Oh well two pounds then definitely shoot to kill immediately! ![]() The story didn't say the victim was an angel...just that he'd had many, many of these run ins before with no problem. And the officer has little training. http://www.wlwt.com/news/source-2-bags-of-marijuana-in-duboses-car-at-time-of-fatal-shooting/34533640 Quote:WLWT has confirmed through CPD's search warrant inventory document that four bags and a jar of marijuana were in Dubose's car at the time of the July 19 traffic stop that ended in former UC Officer Ray Tensing fatally shooting DuBose. Maybe we should wait for all the evidence and stop rushing to judgement. Or does that only apply to police officers? RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - michaelsean - 08-09-2015 That whole article is akin to saying Ray Tensing has pulled over 1000 people in his career, and guess what he never did before. Shoot someone in the head. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 12:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That whole article is akin to saying Ray Tensing has pulled over 1000 people in his career, and guess what he never did before. Shoot someone in the head. No. He never killed anyone. However, just for background information: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/ray-tensing-beaten-in-2010-fight-seemed-like-ticking-time-bomb-attorney-says Quote:CINCINNATI – After a fight in 2010, Ray Tensing seemed like “a ticking time bomb,” a defense attorney said. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - michaelsean - 08-09-2015 Dino you are missing my whole point. Why the hell the need for all of that nonsense reporting? I don't care if he never fled a scene before. Corpses don't put cars in drive. As far as I can tell, the cop murdered this dude, but that's no reason to start the victim on the road to canonization. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 03:54 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Dino you are missing my whole point. Why the hell the need for all of that nonsense reporting? I don't care if he never fled a scene before. Corpses don't put cars in drive. As far as I can tell, the cop murdered this dude, but that's no reason to start the victim on the road to canonization. I was merely adding information. The "two pounds" story has been making the rounds as reason he fled. So we have two stories showing the background of the two men involved. You may draw your own conclusions. Oh and corpses can't hold the brake down either so a car might drift. Clearly this was no saint. Also clearly we have a system at the college that is encouraging this meaningless stops by officials untrained in how to handle them. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - michaelsean - 08-09-2015 I know a corpse can't hold a brake down, the question is how did it get in drive. He was fleeing or going to flee so USA Today telling us how he never ran is meaningless. None of this clears the officer in my opinion, it just irritates me. Like the mention of 81% of the stops are to black people. That's like mentioning all the white people pulled over in Montana. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 02:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: No. He never killed anyone. I knew a few guys from high school who tried to become LEO's and couldn't pass the psych test. In every instance this came as no surprise to me. You have to wonder about the quality of the campus PD's screening and hiring process. that he didn't get red flagged. I'll also add that campus PD's are generally notorious for having lower standards when it comes to hiring. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 04:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I know a corpse can't hold a brake down, the question is how did it get in drive. He was fleeing or going to flee so USA Today telling us how he never ran is meaningless. None of this clears the officer in my opinion, it just irritates me. Like the mention of 81% of the stops are to black people. That's like mentioning all the white people pulled over in Montana. Actually in Montana they pull over Latinos. Then send them to jail while they try to find out if they are legal or not. So I was curious but apparently the University of Cincinnati has 73% white students. https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/provost/docs/institutional_research/student_reports/student_fact_book/UC_Student_Factbook_current.pdf I wonder what area the officers have to cover outside the area of the Campus though. Edit: This is where the cover and what they can do. https://www.uc.edu/publicsafety/about/police.html Quote:The UC Police Department (UCPD) is a fully empowered law enforcement agency that operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. All police officers are certified by the state of Ohio and have full police authority. The department currently employs 72 police officers and 26 security officers. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 Just looked of Cincinnati's racial make up. http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/ohio/cincinnati/demographic.html ![]() post image I don't know if that means that 81% of the people who got tickets being black means anything or if whites are just better drivers. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 05:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Just looked of Cincinnati's racial make up. The racial makeup of the area around he campus is what's important, not the city as a whole. Unless I'm mistaken and the campus police patrol the entire city. Do you have the demographics of the area around the campus? RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 05:39 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The racial makeup of the area around he campus is what's important, not the city as a whole. Unless I'm mistaken and the campus police patrol the entire city. Do you have the demographics of the area around the campus? No. I have the campus stats and the city stats. The case we are talking about happened about one mile from campus going toward the Great American Ballpark. Apparently they are allowed to patrol "the surrounding area" but i didn't see where that area was defined. However if the school is white by a vast majority you'd think the vast majority of tickets would go to white people on or near the campus vs 81% to blacks. Unless he is patrolling off campus in majority black areas. But they don't define that. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 05:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: No. I have the campus stats and the city stats. That would be the key piece of information to have. We're talking about traffic tickets here unless I'm mistaken. Is UofC a commuter college or do most student live on, or very near, campus? If you used USC here in LA as an example it's smack in the middle of an area that is predominantly black, by a large degree, so I'd bet heavily that you'd get similar results from traffic tickets. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - GMDino - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 05:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That would be the key piece of information to have. We're talking about traffic tickets here unless I'm mistaken. Is UofC a commuter college or do most student live on, or very near, campus? If you used USC here in LA as an example it's smack in the middle of an area that is predominantly black, by a large degree, so I'd bet heavily that you'd get similar results from traffic tickets. So are they patrolling the higher minority areas more or is there just more crime in those areas or are blacks just worse drivers? Plus we don't know what percentage of stops result in tickets. Maybe they pull over an equal number but the blacks get more tickets because of some other factor. We'll probably never know. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - michaelsean - 08-09-2015 The neighborhoods around UC are heavily black. Any patrolling off campus would be in areas heavily populated by black people. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - RoyleRedlegs - 08-09-2015 (08-09-2015, 06:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: So are they patrolling the higher minority areas more or is there just more crime in those areas or are blacks just worse drivers? At UC, not a lot of students use their cars often or at least my experience with friends is this. It's in Clifton. There's concert venues and bars all within a block. Going THAT far off campus doesn't always happen. And yeah, there's generally a lot more crime in some of those areas. It's gotten better a little but crime in that area used to be REALLY bad. IDK if it's that blacks are worse drivers, but could it be likely they would get ticketed for things that are considered in for "black culture"....dark window tints, noise violations....etc (granted city cops stopped my white friend 2x for those problems each with a ticket) RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - michaelsean - 08-09-2015 Well at least UC cops won't be patrolling off campus any more which is good. They don't have an infrastructue anywhere near like CPD. Take care of the campus and leave the rest aline. RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - rfaulk34 - 08-10-2015 (08-09-2015, 05:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That would be the key piece of information to have. We're talking about traffic tickets here unless I'm mistaken. Is UofC a commuter college or do most student live on, or very near, campus? If you used USC here in LA as an example it's smack in the middle of an area that is predominantly black, by a large degree, so I'd bet heavily that you'd get similar results from traffic tickets. That's exactly how UC is. Surrounded by predominantly black neighborhoods. The area around campus is well known for muggings, hold ups and shootings. Any off-campus housing is hugged up right against the borders and it's mostly west and some south west of the surrounding campus. The area the shooting took place, Mt. Auburn, is predominantly black as far as residents go. The red circle is where the shooting took place. The only real area for college students south of campus is the Clifton Heights area. The area where the shooting took place was all residential. The long street that runs left to right just above Inwood Park is Hollister St. Before Sonny Kim was killed in June, Hollister St is where the previous line-of-duty officers (2) were killed back in '96 or '97. ![]() RE: Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male - Ryuko - 08-10-2015 (08-09-2015, 05:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: No. I have the campus stats and the city stats. Let's assume a couple things for the sake of discussion... It seems that most UC students are white, and the popular opinion is that most people living in the area around UC are black. If the job of the campus police at UC is anything like it was at Ohio State, it's to prevent non-students from encroaching on campus... Like a school sanctioned border patrol. In Columbus, that seemed mostly to include escorting the occasional homeless guy to the other side of High or Lane, but based on the number of violent crimes I see reported near UC's campus, I suspect they have to take a more aggressive stance than their Columbus counterparts. To summarize, if most students are white, and most non-students are black, and the campus police are trying to keep non-students from harassing students, it makes sense that they would be ticketing a lot of black people. (In the same way you'd expect border patrol in Texas to arrest a lot of Mexicans) |