(08-21-2015, 04:14 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Yes.  Why is that an issue? 

(08-21-2015, 10:22 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You thought correctly.  I personally don't care what an adult does, the law may differ with my personal opinion.  In those cases the law must supersede my personal beliefs.  I think our drug laws are both stupid and counterproductive, but the decision to implement them is made above my pay grade.  This concept is really not that hard to grasp.

(08-21-2015, 10:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Because your beliefs are stupid.

(08-21-2015, 04:03 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: As soon as it's alive. It's an individual because it has its own individual set of DNA that's unique to itself.

(08-21-2015, 04:05 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: A lot of different people have different opinions on "what gives them life". What gives them life is irrelevant to the point that they're alive IMO.

(08-21-2015, 02:35 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I'm not imposing my belief on others.  Nobody is forced to change their minds based off of my opinion. 

I'm sharing my opinion.  I believe it to be murder.  You're free to disagree.  I'm not telling you to stop trying to impose your beliefs on me, am I?  So who's being disingenuous here?

(08-21-2015, 02:54 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: And you want to change the law so people will be forced to follow your beliefs.

(08-21-2015, 04:14 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Yes.  Why is that an issue? 

(08-21-2015, 09:51 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I think that there's an overall lack of integrity in media, and it's not just one "side". 

Both sides of TV, radio, and print tend to pander to the extreme of both sides, because the extremes of both sides are the ones who pay attention on a regular basis.  They watch political shows, listen to talk radio, and buy newspapers or click links online.

It makes sense to do this from a fiscal standpoint, but doesn't change my opinion about their honesty or integrity.

(08-22-2015, 03:32 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Again, a sperm cell has its own individual, unique set of DNA and it is alive.  However, it isn't entitled to individual rights.  Why not?  For the same reasons expressed by the Supreme Court regarding Roe vs. Wade.

(08-22-2015, 10:12 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Except it doesn't have its own individual set of DNA. It gets its DNA from the man. Same with the egg and the woman. It doesn't even have a full set of human DNA only half.

(08-22-2015, 10:35 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Does anyone else have the same DNA?  No.

By your definition, spermatozoa and ova should have individual rights.

(08-22-2015, 11:36 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: How is that when the sperm and egg have the same DNA as the man and woman they belong to? That's not it's own individual DNA. When the sperm and egg combine and form it's own DNA then it has it's own individual DNA.

(08-22-2015, 03:48 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: You began by writing you aren't imposing your beliefs on others.  Next you agreed you want to impose your beliefs on others.  Finally, you asked why imposing your beliefs on others is an issue.

C'mon, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

(08-22-2015, 12:04 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I would also like to see the decriminalization of marijuana, but that doesn't mean that I feel it's necessary for other people to agree with me. 

Does that mean that I'd like to impose my belief on others?  Sure. 

Not every law that's passed or repealed is going to satisfy 100% of people.  

(08-22-2015, 04:03 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Have you seen Anchorman 2?  It's not far from the truth.  The 24 hour news cycle constantly needs to be fed.  They need commercials to pay the bills.  They need viewers to watch the commercials.  How do they get the viewers?  With guys like Bill O'Reilly who doesn't know the difference between a loofah and a falafel.  I can't watch that crap.

(08-22-2015, 11:43 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You realize that each sperm cell is different, right? Each carries half of the father's genetics while each egg carries half of the mother's. Which half is going to be different for every single one. The diversity in one "batch" is going to be huge. That's why siblings aren't identical unless they come from the same zygote that splits (so they came from the same single sperm and single egg) aka identical twins. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2176016/It-DOES-make-difference-wins-race-Scientists-scan-100-sperm-man--huge-DNA-differences.html

(08-22-2015, 12:16 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Yes, each sperm cell is different from another sperm cell. The sperm cells might be different from each other, but they have the same DNA as the man. The sperm just carries different traits that the man possesses.

(08-22-2015, 12:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Advocating for the removal of limits on others and advocating for imposing limits on others are two very different things.

By legalizing pot, no one's beliefs are imposed on others. No one is forced to use it.

By criminalizing abortion, your beliefs are imposed on others. You are preventing those who want one from getting it.

(08-22-2015, 12:23 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: If you're only getting half of the man's DNA, and the half every sperm is getting is different, then the sperm does not have the same DNA as the man and more than a son has the same DNA as his father. 

The fact that the man has twice as much as the sperm should be a clue.

(08-22-2015, 02:25 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Sperm is not human though. If it only has half the DNA of a human there is no way that it could be a human then.

(08-22-2015, 12:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Advocating for the removal of limits on others and advocating for imposing limits on others are two very different things.

By legalizing pot, no one's beliefs are imposed on others. No one is forced to use it.

By criminalizing abortion, your beliefs are imposed on others. You are preventing those who want one from getting it.