(09-15-2020, 11:37 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, professionally, yes. But what about in your home? Building codes, zoning ordinances, regulations on toilet flows, shower heads, lightbulbs, stormwater runoff, regulations on the phone in your pocket, etc., etc. When you start listing things, people realize what is lurking there, but people don't think about all the politics involved in the most mundane things in their every day lives. Now, you and I, as well as some other folks on here, have more obvious political impacts thanks to our chosen professions, but truthfully our jobs aren't impacted more by politics than others, we are just more aware of it.

(09-15-2020, 10:58 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Then you can't remove politics from sport even if you stop playing the national anthem.

Checkmate! 

(09-15-2020, 01:36 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Honest question:  Who believes that it is professional and appropriate to make SJ and Political statements/take stands that have nothing to do with your employer or work conditions at your place of employment?

Pretty sure that sentence structure is bad.  Calling the grammar police!!!   Ha ha!

(09-15-2020, 01:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Is my employer getting paid a boatload of money to run political ads every 3 minutes?

(09-15-2020, 01:36 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Honest question:  Who believes that it is professional and appropriate to make SJ and Political statements/take stands that have nothing to do with your employer or work conditions at your place of employment?

Pretty sure that sentence structure is bad.  Calling the grammar police!!!   Ha ha!

(09-15-2020, 01:46 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: They don't typically play the national anthem before each work day in the office and demand that everyone stand for it.

There also isn't usually any fighter jets flying overhead or any of the other military spectacles that occur in the NFL.

With that said, if I decided to make my email profile picture a black lives matter poster or have BLM or other social justice slogans at my cubicle, no one would stop me. I've seen it done with BLM and similar causes over the years. It wouldn't be controversial in my office.

(09-15-2020, 01:46 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Why does it matter?  They own the business and can run whatever ads they want.  If their employees don't like it they are free to leave, no?  They are free to choose a different place of employment.

(09-15-2020, 01:58 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Maybe they should play the National Anthem before each work day.  It's the NATIONAL Anthem.  When I was in school they used to play the National Anthem and we used to say the Pledge every morning.  My how we have devolved in our love for Country and unity amongst fellow Americans.

I'm ok with them nixing the Anthem.  I would be sad as it is a unifying American thing and I really enjoy what i feel is unity and a sense of American pride before the game, but whatever.  It's even more sad if Americans don't view it as such.

I'm not talking about small things at your cubicle.  What if you walked around the office with a BLM or ANTIFA shirt?  How about a hat with the name of an accused rapist with a rap sheet?  Wearing socks depicting police as pigs for your office to see?

I also think about the employees who don't agree and might feel forced to participate even though they think it's BS.  What about those people?

(09-15-2020, 02:18 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I like the national anthem. 
I'm a bit more skeptical of the pledge of allegiance, especially its use in elementary school.

I remember when I was a child, I was taught the pledge...but I had no idea what it meant. It was just something that was drilled into my mind out of necessity. If you refused to say it, you were sent to the principal's office. Thinking back to that time, it was very unusual behavior to have children recite a pledge of loyalty to their country before they even understood anything at all about politics. Getting people, especially children, to memorize and recite something they don't understand, especially something like a pledge of loyalty, every single day for years at a time is kind of creepy if you think about it. Could easily be mistaken for indoctrination.

It's kind of funny thinking of what I thought I was saying when I recited that pledge. "And to the Republic" I thought of the library, because it was the only other thing I knew that used the word "public." 
"For which it stands" I pictured a witch standing over her cauldron. 
"Indivisible" I thought of Invisible Woman. 

Very odd behavior.

For shirts or hats, those aren't allowed in the office in general, so they'd be a no. Button down shirts only.

I think Antifa is still considered a bit taboo, but BLM is widely accepted now. There's no stigma there anymore. I don't know what you're referring to about rapists or socks, but if I wanted to voice my support for justice in regards to the extrajudicial shooting of Jacob Blake, I doubt anyone would have an issue with it.

Obviously, these things are different across different offices. I heard there was a teacher who was put on leave for having BLM mottos in their virtual classroom down in a city in Texas. So I wouldn't be surprised if the redder the state, the less open work spaces would be to progressive causes.

As far as the people who think it's BS, I would implore them to live their truth. Don't do anything you don't believe in. And don't let anyone force you to say or do something you don't agree with.

(09-15-2020, 02:18 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I like the national anthem. 
I'm a bit more skeptical of the pledge of allegiance, especially its use in elementary school.

I remember when I was a child, I was taught the pledge...but I had no idea what it meant. It was just something that was drilled into my mind out of necessity. If you refused to say it, you were sent to the principal's office. Thinking back to that time, it was very unusual behavior to have children recite a pledge of loyalty to their country before they even understood anything at all about politics. Getting people, especially children, to memorize and recite something they don't understand, especially something like a pledge of loyalty, every single day for years at a time is kind of creepy if you think about it. Could easily be mistaken for indoctrination.

It's kind of funny thinking of what I thought I was saying when I recited that pledge. "And to the Republic" I thought of the library, because it was the only other thing I knew that used the word "public." 
"For which it stands" I pictured a witch standing over her cauldron. 
"Indivisible" I thought of Invisible Woman. 

Very odd behavior.

For shirts or hats, those aren't allowed in the office in general, so they'd be a no. Button down shirts only.

I think Antifa is still considered a bit taboo, but BLM is widely accepted now. There's no stigma there anymore. I don't know what you're referring to about rapists or socks, but if I wanted to voice my support for justice in regards to the extrajudicial shooting of Jacob Blake, I doubt anyone would have an issue with it.

Obviously, these things are different across different offices. I heard there was a teacher who was put on leave for having BLM mottos in their virtual classroom down in a city in Texas. So I wouldn't be surprised if the redder the state, the less open work spaces would be to progressive causes.

As far as the people who think it's BS, I would implore them to live their truth. Don't do anything you don't believe in. And don't let anyone force you to say or do something you don't agree with.

(09-15-2020, 01:36 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Honest question:  Who believes that it is professional and appropriate to make SJ and Political statements/take stands that have nothing to do with your employer or work conditions at your place of employment?

Pretty sure that sentence structure is bad.  Calling the grammar police!!!   Ha ha!

(09-15-2020, 02:30 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I went to a catholic school so it was years of prayers and pledge and Jesus this and jerhico that.  Oh and then I went to college where my feeble mind was apparently indoctrinated for the first time.  

(09-15-2020, 03:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Very few people have jobs that place them on a public platform.

So if the employer approves I don't see any problem.

(09-15-2020, 01:46 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: They don't typically play the national anthem before each work day in the office and demand that everyone stand for it.

There also isn't usually any fighter jets flying overhead or any of the other military spectacles that occur in the NFL.

With that said, if I decided to make my email profile picture a black lives matter poster or have BLM or other social justice slogans at my cubicle, no one would stop me. I've seen it done with BLM and similar causes over the years. It wouldn't be controversial in my office.

(09-15-2020, 03:20 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: My sister is an 11th/12th grade Physics and Chemistry teacher at a large City school.  She told me she can't even sit in the teachers lounge because it is nothing but anti-Trump liberals constantly complaining and if she speaks up it's like a pack of ravenous wolves going after injured prey.  

Maybe there is something to that college indoctrination you speak of.  

(09-15-2020, 03:20 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I'm sorry to hear about your college liberal indoctrination.  lol.  :)

My sister is an 11th/12th grade Physics and Chemistry teacher at a large City school.  She told me she can't even sit in the teachers lounge because it is nothing but anti-Trump liberals constantly complaining and if she speaks up it's like a pack of ravenous wolves going after injured prey.  

Maybe there is something to that college indoctrination you speak of.  

I obviously was not blessed with the academic gene.  I barley made it out of High School.  I'm a spaz with a brain that never shuts off, even at 45, and sticking me in a classroom for 7 hours was tantamount to torture for me.  The military was the best thing to ever happen for me.

(09-15-2020, 01:58 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I also think about the employees who don't agree and might feel forced to participate even though they think it's BS.  What about those people?