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Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - GMDino - 06-29-2017 Quote:[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]Trump’s voter fraud commission is ‘laying the groundwork for voter suppression’https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-letter-97dcfc51eb48 RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - wildcats forever - 06-30-2017 Once upon a time in a land call The United States, citizens were allowed to cast their votes in an election in secret so that no one could punish or threaten them because of the way they voted. Then one day.......... RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Belsnickel - 06-30-2017 Where are the states' rights folks on this one? RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - GMDino - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 04:02 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Where are the states' rights folks on this one? Cleaning their guns in case the government comes for them? ![]() RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Belsnickel - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 04:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: Cleaning their guns in case the government comes for them? I heard a libertarian make a joke about an ideological conservative/Republican the other day: the greatest confusion for a Republican will be when the police knocks on their door and says "I am here for your guns." RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - GMDino - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 04:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I heard a libertarian make a joke about an ideological conservative/Republican the other day: the greatest confusion for a Republican will be when the police knocks on their door and says "I am here for your guns." ![]() RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - SunsetBengal - 06-30-2017 That entire article reads like a total propaganda scare piece. Can you find one on the topic, from an unbiased source? This whole issue could easily be solved by providing free I.D.s to all who do not have them, non-citizens IDs should have an identifying mark that clearly distinguishes them from eligible voters, like a red stripe across the bottom, or something. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Bengalzona - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 05:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That entire article reads like a total propaganda scare piece. Can you find one on the topic, from an unbiased source? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/29/534901343/white-house-panel-asks-states-for-their-voter-rolls?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170629 RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - SunsetBengal - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 06:18 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/29/534901343/white-house-panel-asks-states-for-their-voter-rolls?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170629 Thanks, that's actually a pretty good article. I have no problem with reviewing voter rolls, so long as they do it right. I'd hate to see anyone who deserves to vote accidentally lose that right, just as much as it pains me to think of the possibility of non-citizens, dead people, and people voting multiple times could be happening. Either way, it's an ugly undertaking, but it needs to be resolved. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Vlad - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 04:02 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Where are the states' rights folks on this one? Don't stay up waiting. State rights folks are smart enough to know what is a state right and what is not. You vote for the president of the United States, you play by the Federal Governments rules. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Vlad - 06-30-2017 And Trump keeps pressing on! Voter suppression is a crock. Voter fraud is real. To the extent fraud is occurring I don't know. Thats what Trumps gonna find out. Well well, another democrat going to jail for voter fraud. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2017/06/27/untitled-n2347272 RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Belsnickel - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 06:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Thanks, that's actually a pretty good article. I have no problem with reviewing voter rolls, so long as they do it right. I'd hate to see anyone who deserves to vote accidentally lose that right, just as much as it pains me to think of the possibility of non-citizens, dead people, and people voting multiple times could be happening. But elections are handled by the states, per the Constitution. (06-30-2017, 08:26 PM)Vlad Wrote: Don't stay up waiting. State rights folks are smart enough to know what is a state right and what is not. Except, you know, you don't. Elections are administered by the states. How states conduct their elections is up to the states themselves with the exception of a handful of federal statutes. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Vlad - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 09:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: But elections are handled by the states, per the Constitution. You're right, but you would have to agree that it surely must be within the scope of the Federal Governments powers to assure that there are fair elections when it pertains to the election of a president. Probably in those statutes you speak of. If someone wants to assert that its none of the federal governments business on how states elect governors or other state officials, I'm not gonna argue. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Belsnickel - 06-30-2017 (06-30-2017, 10:35 PM)Vlad Wrote: Actually, I disagree entirely. The Constitution is clear that it is up to the state to decide how to choose their electors, and so it is entirely up to the states to oversee that process. If a state legislature gives that authority to the governor then that is completely acceptable according to the US Constitution, no vote necessary. The governor could choose all of the electors themself. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Dill - 07-01-2017 (06-30-2017, 10:35 PM)Vlad Wrote: Vlad stop guessing. Read the Constitution--Article II, section 1. And many Republican states righters are pushing back against Trump's request for voter information, precisely for the same reason they object to widespread federal surveillance under Homeland Security. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/states-push-back-releasing-voter-data-fraud-commission/story?id=48380617 RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Dill - 07-01-2017 (06-30-2017, 08:57 PM)Vlad Wrote: And Trump keeps pressing on! Except there is plenty of evidence for voter suppression, and little to none for voter fraud. 1.8 million registered voters in Kansas. 9 cases of voter impersonation. Republican Secretary of State Kovach concludes it is "widespread." http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article148434369.html RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - JustWinBaby - 07-01-2017 ![]() RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Belsnickel - 07-01-2017 (07-01-2017, 12:09 AM)Dill Wrote: Vlad stop guessing. Read the Constitution--Article II, section 1. Well, constitutional law and statutory law are different. You are correct about the part ofthe Constitution, though. All (IIRC) of the federal statutory law on elections is regarding behavior of the campaigns themselves and what day the election is held on. Everything else is up to the states. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Vlad - 07-01-2017 (06-30-2017, 10:46 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Actually, I disagree entirely. The Constitution is clear that it is up to the state to decide how to choose their electors, and so it is entirely up to the states to oversee that process. If a state legislature gives that authority to the governor then that is completely acceptable according to the US Constitution, no vote necessary. The governor could choose all of the electors themself. You're disagreeing with nothing that I disagreed with.lol So your bottom line after all that...Assuming that there were widespread cases of voter fraud with significant numbers, are you saying any Federal government involvement would be unconstitutional? States oversee their own law enforcement as well, but does not the FBI become involved when deemed necessary? That is all I'm saying. RE: Meanwhile Trump's people do the dirty work... - Vlad - 07-01-2017 (07-01-2017, 12:09 AM)Dill Wrote: Vlad stop guessing. That's right Dill, I was making an assumption. Me personally, I am more appreciative of a poster who makes clear he is assuming than one who thinks he knows it all. |