(08-07-2017, 02:44 PM)Wyche Wrote: That is true.....but I think we were a fluke play that resulted in losing our starting QB away from making at least a run at the AFCCG.

(08-08-2017, 09:35 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Tag should have been Whitworth. No question. He's 35, will be 36 by end of the year, but he still plays at an elite level. Ogbuehi could have been groomed behind Whitworth as either the first player off the bench or competed for starting RG and swing over to LT in the event of an injury to Whit.

(08-08-2017, 09:56 AM)Whatever Wrote: Tag for OL was $13.8 mil this year.  Kirk has a cap hit of $9.3 mil in '17 and Minter is $5 mil.  So, you're basically looking at tagging Whit or keeping Kirk and adding Minter.

(08-08-2017, 10:06 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Hobspin, is that you? 

The Bengals are sitting on $18.6m in cap space right now.

(08-08-2017, 10:06 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Hobspin, is that you? 

The Bengals are sitting on $18.6m in cap space right now.

(08-08-2017, 09:56 AM)Whatever Wrote: Tag for OL was $13.8 mil this year.  Kirk has a cap hit of $9.3 mil in '17 and Minter is $5 mil.  So, you're basically looking at tagging Whit or keeping Kirk and adding Minter.

(08-08-2017, 10:46 AM)ochocincos Wrote: And Andre Smith is a $3 mill cap hit, which the Bengals could have instead been put toward Whit's tag.

The Bengals estimated cap space with DK and Minter is $18 mill. Remove Smith's $3 mill and you're looking at $21 mill.
The OL tag for $13.8 mill would still have left some for extensions ($7.2 mill).

(08-08-2017, 10:49 AM)Au165 Wrote: 7.2 isn't nearly enough to give a signing bonus that is going to be needed for both of these guys (Burfict/Eiffert) .

(08-08-2017, 10:50 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Not for both, but do you really expect both to be given a signing bonus? I don't.
I expect one, and the other will be discussed in the offseason.

(08-08-2017, 10:15 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Are they?

Burfict and Eifert long term deals are needed ASAP in my opinion

(08-08-2017, 10:56 AM)Au165 Wrote: Obviously they are both getting signing bonuses and raises this year if they are resigning early. That is normally the reason to resign heading into a season, you take more now rather than risk it to make even more later. That would be an issue if we only had 7.2 million to do it with. If both stay healthy and out of trouble their cost will only go up after the season. It makes sense to lock both up now to friendlier deals, and a good chunk of that cap will be used to do so.

(08-08-2017, 10:59 AM)ochocincos Wrote: If that happens, yes. I just don't think it happens. I think only one gets extended before the season starts. I think the other waits until the offseason.

(08-08-2017, 11:07 AM)Au165 Wrote: I hope not, thats a risky gamble. I think Eiffert is probably a Zach Ertz type deal that averages out with 8.5 Million a year with outs to the team three years in and some playing time bonuses for Eiffer to push him towards 9.5/10 if he plays most the games. Burfict is a going to want to be paid at least more than Kirksey in Cleveland got which is 9.5 a year. I think those are simply the market prices, those aren't the prices when teams get into a bidding war over them. Letting them hit the market could turn this into a Zeitler situation where one gets a record setting contract. Remember Jimmy Graham who has been often injured is up for a new contract this year too. If he resigns at a big number that could have a big impact on Eiffert.

(08-08-2017, 10:49 AM)Au165 Wrote: 7.2 million isn't nearly enough to give a signing bonus that is going to be needed for both of these guys (Burfict/Eiffert) . If you don't plan on resigning both it makes sense, but if you do that would be an issue.

(08-08-2017, 09:47 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:

(08-08-2017, 11:19 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I think between Burfict and Eifert, Eifert has the most to gain for playing through a whole season. It'd be too advantageous for the Bengals to lock him up now.
That's why I think Burfict is the one that takes an early extension. I think Eifert pulls the Cousins approach and gambles on himself to try and make bank.

(08-08-2017, 11:28 AM)Au165 Wrote: People keep talking about multiple tags but that is financially irresponsible for a TE. Assuming the tag jumps a similar 600ishk like it did from 16-17 we are looking at a tag number of 10.4 million to tag him next year (highest paid TE in league at this). The tag then jumps 120% of his previous tag taking him to 12.48 million for his second tag. It would be insane to pay him that much over two years when we could realistically get him for an average of 9-9.5 a year with some protections through playing time bonuses. There aren't people scrambling to go play on the tag. Most guys hate the tag because it offers little security, so they take less to have security.

(08-08-2017, 11:33 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Eifert takes the multi-tag approach. I meant more I think he gambles on his own ability to stay healthy and perform well to really increase his value, then look to sign for the highest bidder next year.

(08-08-2017, 10:46 AM)ochocincos Wrote: And Andre Smith is a $3 mill cap hit, which the Bengals could have instead been put toward Whit's tag.

The Bengals estimated cap space with DK and Minter is $18 mill. Remove Smith's $3 mill and you're looking at $21 mill.
The OL tag for $13.8 mill would still have left some for extensions ($7.2 mill).

(08-08-2017, 09:56 AM)Whatever Wrote: Tag for OL was $13.8 mil this year.  Kirk has a cap hit of $9.3 mil in '17 and Minter is $5 mil.  So, you're basically looking at tagging Whit or keeping Kirk and adding Minter.