(08-15-2017, 11:36 AM)Synric Wrote: As Zerk says though, Ced allows defenders into his chest alot which allows them to dictate the battle. That's a Big Big No No

(08-14-2017, 07:04 PM)McC Wrote: Just get better each week, Ced.  The CedO police will have you under a microscope all year.

(08-15-2017, 11:44 AM)Lawless_1 Wrote: He's had 52 of them and is still trash.

(08-15-2017, 11:44 AM)Lawless_1 Wrote: He's had 52 of them and is still trash.

(08-15-2017, 12:22 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Or he's had 52 times to get better? Edison once said "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

(08-15-2017, 10:54 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Yea a lot of people think that speed can only be utilized for deep routes. He's ridiculous in short routes and screens too.

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Ross is so much more than just a deep threat. I thought everyone figured that out by now after all the draft-time debating, but I guess not...

(08-15-2017, 12:28 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Just to clear it up, I wasn't saying Ross is only a deep threat. I've been telling anyone who will listen that Ross is a complete WR. So I know we're not going to line him up to run nines all day. 

Still, if you guys think Ross was only drafted to gain YAC on slants and screens, I'd say you'll be surprised. They will send him deep sometimes. I don't care how bad Og is. There's too much value in taking the top off the defense (ask Randy "one clap" Moss), and teams won't respect that ability if we never play that hand.

(08-15-2017, 12:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Some would say that's more than enough opportunities to try to find some way that works.
Luckily for Ogbuehi, he's a Bengal, so he'll get all the chances in the world.
Just ask Adam Jones.

(08-15-2017, 10:16 AM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Being a great athlete is the singular most overrated quality an offensive linemen can be labeled with. 
It's just not that important. Can it help? sure. 

But only if you have the other tools to make it work.

And seriously go watch his tape at TAMU, I still don't see what about it is first round OT. He never dominates a game. 
It's school hype (Matthews and Joeckel right before him) and bizarre fascination with measurables and athleticism on the OL. 

(08-15-2017, 10:17 AM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: At no point did they run a deep drop for the QB. 
At no point did they run a long developing play.

But you keep telling yourself their plan wasn't to hide the limitations of our tackles. 

 

(08-15-2017, 01:00 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Sure, but just because he's not good now doesn't mean it's indicative to how he's going to be later on. Big Whit didn't start out as a pro-bowler either. Just saying we can be critical of his current play but lets slow down on what that means later on down the road.

(08-15-2017, 01:09 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The surprising part is, as much as his shortcomings are pointed out, regardless of the report, he was still considered a 1st or 2nd round pick. Even with all the negatives and maybes.

Not surprising though that a team would value athleticism. Quickness and speed...any coach believes he can teach/correct the fundamentals of the technique. That's probably a bigger flaw than anything. 

I've watched a few TAMU games in the past and a couple recently. The biggest thing that pops out to me are how easily it seems he gets off balance and how tall he plays. He seems/seemed to engage and bow his back after absorbing contact. It's never looked pretty. 

I'm always a little reluctant to engage in these kinds of discussions when i'm not completely confident in what i'm fighting for. I get everything you're saying. You're critiquing his technique and his ability to improve it. Where it was and where it still is. I'm looking at it more as Ced the football player. Snap by snap, is he keeping his guy off his ball carriers. In that department, i don't see how anyone can say he's not improved from last year. Albeit, one half of one preseason game.

(08-15-2017, 01:37 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That's true, but the Bengals don't really have the time to "wait and see". They have a playoff-caliber roster and a good amount of their star players are in their prime or approaching the end. They need to be in win-now mode at least to some extent.

And Whitworth was a bit different, as the Bengals had Levi Jones and Willie Anderson as their starting OTs for Whit's first few years. Whit had an extra year of grooming compared to Ogbuehi and was already a starter at LG in which he played very well, so we had more hope he could transition. The Bengals were lucky they went from one stalwart LT to another very good LT.
However, Ogbuehi has been bad both years he's been in the lineup and now is practically forced into LT because there's no one better. Given his previous performance, I simply lack hope.

(08-15-2017, 01:37 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That's true, but the Bengals don't really have the time to "wait and see". They have a playoff-caliber roster and a good amount of their star players are in their prime or approaching the end. They need to be in win-now mode at least to some extent.

And Whitworth was a bit different, as the Bengals had Levi Jones and Willie Anderson as their starting OTs for Whit's first few years. Whit had an extra year of grooming compared to Ogbuehi and was already a starter at LG in which he played very well, so we had more hope he could transition. The Bengals were lucky they went from one stalwart LT to another very good LT.
However, Ogbuehi has been bad both years he's been in the lineup and now is practically forced into LT because there's no one better. Given his previous performance, I simply lack hope.

(08-15-2017, 01:44 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Both years?

Come on man, he was injured his rookie year. How many games did he play in coming off major surgery in January?

(08-15-2017, 01:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Really? This is a team coming off a poor season and you are putting it all on one LT?

We have lots of targets based on 2016 results, not just one player, but many.

(08-15-2017, 01:09 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The surprising part is, as much as his shortcomings are pointed out, regardless of the report, he was still considered a 1st or 2nd round pick. Even with all the negatives and maybes.

Not surprising though that a team would value athleticism. Quickness and speed...any coach believes he can teach/correct the fundamentals of the technique. That's probably a bigger flaw than anything. 

I've watched a few TAMU games in the past and a couple recently. The biggest thing that pops out to me are how easily it seems he gets off balance and how tall he plays. He seems/seemed to engage and bow his back after absorbing contact. It's never looked pretty. 

I'm always a little reluctant to engage in these kinds of discussions when i'm not completely confident in what i'm fighting for. I get everything you're saying. You're critiquing his technique and his ability to improve it. Where it was and where it still is. I'm looking at it more as Ced the football player. Snap by snap, is he keeping his guy off his ball carriers. In that department, i don't see how anyone can say he's not improved from last year. Albeit, one half of one preseason game.

(08-15-2017, 01:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Doesn't matter. An injured year is still a year of good production lost. He been at the bottom of the barrel since he got here.
This year is very big for him. I expect it likely means drafting a first round OT to replace him as the starter vs a mid-round OT to back him up.