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Trumps Afghanastan Plan - GMDino - 08-21-2017 I missed the speech and it's late so I'll look for more tomorrow. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B109Q?il=0 Quote:WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump opened the door on Monday night to an increase in U.S. troops in Afghanistan as part of a retooled strategy for the region, overcoming his own doubts about America's longest war and vowing "a fight to win." RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - BmorePat87 - 08-21-2017 Running on opposition to nation building in the Middle East and reversing within his first year. He's truly a 21st century American President RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - NATI BENGALS - 08-22-2017 GTFO of the shithole. Quit blowing lives time and money. Why the **** are we still there. I was there. We went door to door and took shotguns and one shot rifles because it was all they had. The problem didnt go away. We will not change their minds with occupation. Waste of fing time. Holy shit give it up. Its like being mad you cant get a sewer pipe to stay clean RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Bengalzona - 08-22-2017 Interesting comments. Particularly regarding Pakistan. Not sure if it is commonly known or not, but the Pakis created the Taliban. Pakistani intelligence set up the Taliban as a means of exerting a measure of influence and control over Afghanistan once the Soviets left. And by the same token, we can't really base tens of thousands of troops in Afghanistan without the Pakis help. Weird, huh. And the Pakis are our friends. Except when they are not. For example, when the Vietnam War was going on, the Pakis were our good buddies. But when the Pakis were at war with India in 1971, we didn't feel as close to them. But when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the Pakis were our buds again. But then after the Soviets left, we sort of forgot about them (a lot). Then, in the 1990's, the Pakis (with a little help from North Korea) decided to join the Nuclear Family. And we were like "WTF, dudes?!?!?". We didn't like that too much. But then after 9/11, we traced Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan. So the Pakis were our good buddies again! But then we found out that Osama was hanging out in Pakistan, and we were like"Dudes! That ain't cool!!!". You know, it's almost like these Pakis are just thinking of themselves and their own interest! RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - ballsofsteel - 08-22-2017 The flip then the flop. War is big business. Drumph needs to escalate or start a new war with someone to bring up his plummeting poll numbers. Plus he can pocket some serious coin. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - ballsofsteel - 08-22-2017 Do you think if they tied Drumph's hands behind his back he would still be able to talk at the podium? Does Drumph remind you of Joe Cocker when giving a speech? RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - StLucieBengal - 08-22-2017 I missed the address but i saw where Lindsey Graham was In favor..... so that pretty much means it's terrible. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Dill - 08-22-2017 (08-22-2017, 01:58 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: You know, it's almost like these Pakis are just thinking of themselves and their own interest! LOL that is the problem with all these other countries. They don't understand the priority of US interests. Hard to make them understand . . . . RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Dill - 08-22-2017 (08-21-2017, 11:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: I missed the speech and it's late so I'll look for more tomorrow. I watched it. It was a bit like watching a ping pong match with the back and forth between policy positions. It clear that Trump, after years saying we should get out now, has reversed that position. But beyond that it is not clear how his policy will differ in practice from Bush's. Trump said "No more nation building." But so did Bush, and that appears to be why Afghanistan spun out of control. But Trump was still talking about building the police force and Army there, and stabilizing the government. That's a little nation building at least to his right wing base. He was more vocal about Pakistan, claiming no one had called Pakistan on its support for the Taliban. Something will happen if they don't shape up. After telling us what his moves would be, he reminded us that he would not telegraph his moves. So there will be no drawdown timeline. Help for the Afghan government will be conditional. Good news for the Taliban at many points. I am thinking the anti-globalists and Breitbart and Sinclair and Newsmax aren't going to like this speech though. The generals have convinced Trump that withdrawing from A-stan will likely turn the place into one huge training camp for Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS. But we would be saving money, right? Putting America first. Outside of the Israel-Palestine conflict, there is no more complicated political territory on the face of the earth than the Afghanistan, Pakistan, India axis. I think most Trump supporters would agree that we need a non-politician to come in and sort out this mess, someone with fresh eyes, good "instincts," and no knowledge of government and South Asian history. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Belsnickel - 08-22-2017 (08-22-2017, 10:29 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I missed the address but i saw where Lindsey Graham was In favor..... so that pretty much means it's terrible. I definitely do not disagree. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - TheLeonardLeap - 08-22-2017 Really just need to give the Middle East a big 'ol Middle Finger, and just take our shit and go home. We'd be much better off for it. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Bengalzona - 08-22-2017 (08-22-2017, 01:13 PM)Dill Wrote: After telling us what his moves would be, he reminded us that he would not telegraph his moves. I've noticed he has a tendency to do that. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Dill - 08-22-2017 (08-22-2017, 06:28 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Really just need to give the Middle East a big 'ol Middle Finger, and just take our shit and go home. We'd be much better off for it. ISIS would breath a sigh of relief. That is for sure. They might even give us a year's rest, using the time to expand their numbers and territorial control before attacking the US and Europe again. Better to fight them over here. Cheaper. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - GMDino - 08-22-2017
RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Nately120 - 08-22-2017 Meh, let's just stay over there forever. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - TheLeonardLeap - 08-22-2017 (08-22-2017, 08:19 PM)Dill Wrote: ISIS would breath a sigh of relief. That is for sure. Let Europe hold them back for awhile without us. Maybe then we could actually get some serious help for a change rather than having to pay the vast majority of the monetary and blood cost of fighting them. Same with North Korea. I am tired of paying to be the unappreciated World Police while everyone talks shit about us and complains the whole time. I am ready to see a world without US intervention, and a US with 100% focus on improving our citizens lives. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - treee - 08-22-2017 (08-22-2017, 10:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: You'd have better luck herding cats than trying to find any kind of consistency in Trump's policy proclamations. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - GMDino - 08-23-2017 (08-22-2017, 11:23 PM)treee Wrote: You'd have better luck herding cats than trying to find any kind of consistency in Trump's policy proclamations. RE: Trumps Afghanastan Plan - Dill - 08-23-2017 (08-22-2017, 11:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Let Europe hold them back for awhile without us. Leonard, actually, the "world" doesn't talk shit about us. North Korea and some folks in Iran do. There is still a hangover from the Bush years, but during Obama's 8 years the US was held in pretty high esteem everywhere. Nor has the US been "unappreciated." Some foreigners do rightly complain of US arrogance though, especially this last year. Europe does not have the capacity to "hold them back for awhile." If the US does as you recommend, then we give Syria and half of Iraq back to ISIS and open a whole country to them in Afghanistan. We give them time to consolidate, spread, expand their outposts in Africa as well. The terror com networks will be abuzz with how the great Satan backed down and is ripe for the picking. Also, reducing US intervention won't translate directly into helping Americans. We still have a capitalist economy and a Republican controlled government that wants to reduce government spending--except for a military no longer to be used for "interventions." And frankly, I just don't see how the US can maintain its current level of trade and its perks on the world market if it withdraws from the world and lets the Middle East and Central Asia fly apart. Our GDP will suffer. Unemployment will go up. Citizens' lives will not be improved. |