(09-15-2017, 02:00 AM)Millhouse Wrote: I completely agree with the spirit here.

However, I am in the firm belief that if they make changes just because fans stop going to games or sending in their tickets, then that wont be good enough. Its a start and probably the only way some changes happen.

But in my opinion the changes that need to be made should be made because they want to be an elite NFL team and organization. They should have to want to be better all the way around from top to bottom, and wanting to be better should be at the core of their business model. Making changes because of fans, well its better than nothing obviously, but not good enough if they ever want to be elite.

(09-15-2017, 02:07 AM)BenZoo2 Wrote: What have you seen under Mikey's regime that leads you to believe they want to be elite?  I believe the business model here is its run like a business.  I, get it, it's the Browns only business.  But it does seem to me that butts not n seats at least gets his attention.

(09-15-2017, 02:11 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Nothing, which is why an empty stadium is probably the only way for changes to happen as I said.

My point was Bengals will never be an elite organization and team until they actually want to be. Until then its 'model model' with maybe a new head coach with minimal other changes to appease those empty seats. 

(09-15-2017, 08:34 AM)Big Boss Wrote: I'd remind people calling for Dalton to be benched that AJ McCarron is far less mobile of a QB and would likely get murdered behind this line.

(09-15-2017, 08:36 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Blah blah blah this is starting to sound like those who don't want to fire Marvin because we'll return to the dark days of the 90's. Just TRY IT! The offense can't be any worse.

(09-15-2017, 01:51 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: Change is desperately needed. It is needed for the present and future if this generation of Bengal players. What we saw these past two weeks has been putrid and unacceptable. And once again, NO ACCOUNTABILITY anywhere. Marvins job is safe. Zampese's job is safe. Dalton is under no pressure of being benched (even on principle). And that is NEVER going to change as long as fans continue to show up on gameday.

Now I know, attendance hasn't been great these past two weeks. But more pressure on the family business owners is needed. If you think an abysmal win/loss record is enough to get certain folks out of the picture, you're dreaming. The current head coach has reached the playoffs several times in a row and is likely viewed as the man to get us back at some point by the front office. And that is just fine and dandy with them. The front office will not part ways with anyone on this staff as long as people continue to buy tickets.

So it's simple: stop buying tickets. If you're a season ticket owner, mail your tickets back to the front office with a letter attached venting your frustration. If enough people do that, then (and only then) will changes be made. Until that time... This shit show is partially on us: the fans.

(09-15-2017, 08:36 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Blah blah blah this is starting to sound like those who don't want to fire Marvin because we'll return to the dark days of the 90's. Just TRY IT! The offense can't be any worse.

(09-15-2017, 01:51 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: {snip}

So it's simple: stop buying tickets. If you're a season ticket owner, mail your tickets back to the front office with a letter attached venting your frustration. If enough people do that, then (and only then) will changes be made. Until that time... This shit show is partially on us: the fans.

(09-15-2017, 08:31 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yup !

Mike Brown would never let a HC come in here and take over ! Even if he does (like .000000001%) he fires Marvin. Mike's not going to let new HC pick his own staff, call the shots etc.

Until a true house cleaning happens it's just window dressing.

(09-15-2017, 09:45 AM)PV Bengal Wrote: Sorry ... but Mikey has already made his money from the season ticket holders, so sending back the tickets is nothing more than symbolic.

If nobody bought season tickets for next year, that would have some financial impact, but only insofar as public perception is involved ... and we all know that Mikey doesn't give a s*** about public perception.