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Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - GMDino - 09-16-2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/us/politics/trump-declines-to-release-list-of-his-visitors-at-mar-a-lago.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur Quote:WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Friday escalated a battle with government ethics groups by declining, even in the face of a federal court order, to release the identities of individuals visiting with President Trump at his family’s Mar-a-Lago resort during the days he has spent at the private club in Palm Beach, Fla., this year. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - JustWinBaby - 09-16-2017 OMG.....earth shattering news RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - GMDino - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 04:14 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: OMG.....earth shattering news That Trump doesn't follow a judge's ruling? Or that Trump wants to hide what he is doing? Neither of those is earth shattering. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - BmorePat87 - 09-16-2017 Transparency is a partisan issue. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - bfine32 - 09-16-2017 Am I the only one that finds it ironic that a liberal group is demanding to know what happens in private? RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - GMDino - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 10:52 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Am I the only one that finds it ironic that a liberal group is demanding to know what happens in private? Probably. Since it's not "private". It's the POTUS. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - BmorePat87 - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 10:52 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Am I the only one that finds it ironic that a liberal group is demanding to know what happens in private? I think they'd argue that who the President, and all public officials for that matter, meets with is "public" not "private". RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - bfine32 - 09-16-2017 Okey Doke, I see I have been straightened out. What the President does at a Private resort should be public. Seems I remember Obama fighting making the visitor logs public at the White House. I can only imagine the uproar from liberal groups. I have no problem if every visitor POTUS has is public knowledge; it just seemed ironic that a liberal group was pushing for this. Of course this is not the first thing that I have found ironic that others have not. I find it also surprising the folks on here that agree with my stance. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - hollodero - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 02:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Okey Doke, I see I have been straightened out. What the President does at a Private resort should be public. Seems I remember Obama fighting making the visitor logs public at the White House. I can only imagine the uproar from liberal groups. Are they a distinct liberal group? I only came across Richard Painter, who I figured was more of a conservative. Be that as it may - one difference between Obama and Trump is that the latter is way more suspicious of having public life as POTUS and private life as businessman and dealmaker mixed up. That is hard to argue against, I suppose a Court saw it similarly. Neglecting a court order raises even more suspicion and certainly can't be the preferred way to go. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - GMDino - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 02:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Okey Doke, I see I have been straightened out. What the President does at a Private resort should be public. Seems I remember Obama fighting making the visitor logs public at the White House. I can only imagine the uproar from liberal groups. Yep. Obama fought it and then went ahead and released them anyway. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - BmorePat87 - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 02:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Okey Doke, I see I have been straightened out. What the President does at a Private resort should be public. I would argue the President is always working and he claimed to be working every time he went there. Whether or not the residence is private doesn't change his role as a public official. Just my take. Quote:Seems I remember Obama fighting making the visitor logs public at the White House. I can only imagine the uproar from liberal groups. This same group sued Obama and rightfully so. The link in the first post references it. Quote:I have no problem if every visitor POTUS has is public knowledge; it just seemed ironic that a liberal group was pushing for this. Of course this is not the first thing that I have found ironic that others have not. I find it also surprising the folks on here that agree with my stance. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. Transparency should be something everyone agrees on. Like two of us said, there's a difference between a private citizen and a public official, which is why there, in my opinion, isn't any irony in a liberal group seeking this from the past two Presidents. This does open up a good debate though: Is the President ever a "private citizen" when in office? RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - BmorePat87 - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 03:54 PM)hollodero Wrote: Are they a distinct liberal group? I only came across Richard Painter, who I figured was more of a conservative. The article refers to them as a liberal group. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - bfine32 - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 07:23 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I would argue the President is always working and he claimed to be working every time he went there. Whether or not the residence is private doesn't change his role as a public official. Just my take. Yeah, the group sued Bush and Obama, but still unsure that means that it's not ironic that a liberal group would strive to strip privacy. Seems something that a conservative group would push for. Obama eventually opened White House logs; unless, of course if, they were personal guests and that did not include guests at his vacation location. I suppose there is a solid debate to be had in discussing that what level of privacy POTUS is afforded RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - hollodero - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 07:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The article refers to them as a liberal group. Yeah, I saw that, doesn't mean it is so. Richard Painter. But it isn't important, except when it's weaved into a defensive argument. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - bfine32 - 09-16-2017 (09-16-2017, 08:21 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, I saw that, doesn't mean it is so. Richard Painter. Quote:CREW[edit] RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - Belsnickel - 09-17-2017 (09-16-2017, 08:21 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, I saw that, doesn't mean it is so. Richard Painter. Yeah, Painter is a part of it, and so are some other conservative lawyers. The fact is that this group has not really been active to this degree until Trump became the nominee, and since then has been in high gear. They have been around and doing things, but not to this level. Would this have been the case if Clinton was in office? Hard to say. I don't disagree that there are a lot of questionable things in the Trump administration, too. But it ti a left leaning organization based on what I have seen. I think it may be more appropriately couched as an establishment defense organization, though. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - BmorePat87 - 09-17-2017 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/taxpayers-billed-1092-for-an-officials-two-night-stay-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-club/2017/09/15/e3e5dfdc-97c6-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.758484642829 One of the first clues over how Trump is profiting off of Mar a Lago came this week via a FOIA request from the Coast Guard. The invoice shows an unknown official stayed at the resort at the cost of $1,092 for two nights. The only clue is that it is labeled "National Security Council". Trump spent 25 of his first 120 days in Mar a Lago (the club operates between November and May). While the White House claims that any guests of the President, such as the Prime Minister of Japan, will without any cost to tax payers, the lack of transparency in these FOIA requests makes it unknown if this is even true. The tax payers could have paid Trump hundreds of thousands to millions in a 4 month span for all of the necessary support staff to stay with him as he vacationed in Florida 7 of his first 13 weekends as President. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - JustWinBaby - 09-17-2017 (09-16-2017, 10:36 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Transparency is a partisan issue. I believe Obama started this, which is a good practice (although I thought they could still remove/block names as they saw fit, which makes it kind of a fake transparency). I'm surprised Trump wouldn't invite a bunch of Russians and then release the records, just to troll everyone. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - JustWinBaby - 09-17-2017 (09-16-2017, 08:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose there is a solid debate to be had in discussing that what level of privacy POTUS is afforded I thought the actual argument, as I've read, is the privacy of the individuals visiting POTUS (rather than POTUS himself), and also national security issues (which the 3-month lag is supposed to mostly address). Just another Obama policy Trump is shredding.....and I kind of enjoy the panty bunching every time it happens. RE: Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago - BmorePat87 - 09-18-2017 (09-17-2017, 06:22 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: I believe Obama started this, which is a good practice (although I thought they could still remove/block names as they saw fit, which makes it kind of a fake transparency). He certainly provided a false sense of transparency in his actions. |