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Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - GMDino - 10-03-2017 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/ Quote:Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - BmorePat87 - 10-03-2017 I wonder this every time I see someone with an odd fascination of the LGBT community, where they are always finding ways to bring them up and attack them when they are completely unrelated to even the topic at hand. Are they so afraid of their own feelings that they have to constantly attack it to reassure themselves? I wish they'd just be true to who they are. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - michaelsean - 10-03-2017 Did you just call me a f**? ![]() RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-03-2017 Ted Haggard said, "Might be?" RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - mallorian69 - 10-03-2017 So if homophobes are actually closet homosexuals then wouldn't it stand to reason that trumpphobes are closet trump supporters? RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - bfine32 - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 12:19 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: So if homophobes are actually closet homosexuals then wouldn't it stand to reason that trumpphobes are closet trump supporters? Only if: they are always finding ways to bring him up and attack him when he is completely unrelated to even the topic at hand. Are they so afraid of their own feelings that they have to constantly attack him to reassure themselves? OK; as to the OP: I am one few that uses homophobe (irrational fear) it its correct context. just because you don't think a baker should be required to bake a wedding cake for a SSM doesn't make one homophobic (IMO). A homophobe is someone more like a former coworker of mine. He would not let a male barber cut his hair (when he could choose) because he didn't want a dude touching his head/face. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - BmorePat87 - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 06:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Only if: they are always finding ways to bring him up and attack him when he is completely unrelated to even the topic at hand. Are they so afraid of their own feelings that they have to constantly attack him to reassure themselves? The guy who coined the term gave it a pretty broad definition that included the fear of gay people and their impact on family and religion, the fear of being labeled gay, avoidance of gay people, and also prejudice towards gay people. "When a phobia incapacitates a person from engaging in activities considered decent by society, the person himself is the sufferer….But here the phobia appears as antagonism directly toward a particular group of people. Inevitably, it leads to disdain toward the people themselves, and to mistreatment of them. The phobia in operation is a prejudice, and this means we can widen our understanding by considering the phobia from the point of view of its being a prejudice and then uncovering its motives (Weinberg, 1971; see also Weinberg, 1972, p. 8). " RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - ballsofsteel - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 10:14 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Did you just call me a f**? Hi. When I read that article I thought they were talking about you. ![]() RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - bfine32 - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 06:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The guy who coined the term gave it a pretty broad definition that included the fear of gay people and their impact on family and religion, the fear of being labeled gay, avoidance of gay people, and also prejudice towards gay people. The name itself implies fear and that is how Weinberg originally explained it. What this fear can lead folks to do is another matter. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - michaelsean - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 06:41 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Hi. When I read that article I thought they were talking about you. So it wasn’t just in my head. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - BmorePat87 - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 06:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The name itself implies fear and that is how Weinberg originally explained it. What this fear can lead folks to do is another matter. Regardless, he evolved his term and the inclusion of prejudice is recognized by Oxford and Merriam Webster. Suggesting it is only a fear is false. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - bfine32 - 10-03-2017 (10-03-2017, 08:51 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Regardless, he evolved his term and the inclusion of prejudice is recognized by Oxford and Merriam Webster. Suggesting it is only a fear is false. Actually Websters calls it: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. But fear not, nobody is trying to take your word away from you. IMO there is nothing irrational about a person of faith not wanting to bake a cake for a SSM; however, it would be irrational for them to refuse to sell them a cookie You feel free to use it as you see fit and I'll use it as I see fit; we can each quote a definition. FWIW here's a link to a fairly good article on the word, its meaning, and origin: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/us/george-weinberg-dead-coined-homophobia.html RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - BmorePat87 - 10-04-2017 (10-03-2017, 09:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually Websters calls it: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. I'm not sure what you gained by confirming that Websters disagrees with your definition, but I'm sure it made sense to you. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - bfine32 - 10-04-2017 (10-04-2017, 12:48 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'm not sure what you gained by confirming that Websters disagrees with your definition, but I'm sure it made sense to you. I "gained" nothing; simply sharing. The definition does state irrational discrimination most likely manifested by fear as explained in the article. So yes the definition combined with the article did make sense to one of us. But as I said, you are free to throw it around to describe simple prejudice (usually manifested from ignorance, not fear) or as you see fit. Linking this phobia to fear (I know outrageous) does lend more credence to the OP. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - StLucieBengal - 10-04-2017 Pointing out that someone makes weird choices somehow makes you a homophobe. That is the problem. Weird can be subjective and that's fine..... some guys like a thicker woman who may even look like a man while others prefer a normal or thinner woman who looks more feminine. Either way it's ok to point out as weird and everyone can decide for themselves. Not sure why there is a desire around here to force this anything goes mentality on everyone. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - Vlad - 10-04-2017 (10-03-2017, 09:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually Websters calls it: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.The word has been broadened to include discrimination. If you were an arachnophobe you would discriminate against spiders. Especially the black ones. Feminazis are really androphobes, and androphobes might be hidden transgenders. Some elitist do a study on that. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - BmorePat87 - 10-04-2017 (10-04-2017, 08:38 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The definition does state irrational discrimination most likely manifested by fear as explained in the article. So yes the definition combined with the article did make sense to one of us. Oh man, I forgot about this. You did this last time you complained about people using the word "homophobe". Yea, no, irrational only modifies fear in that definition. Thinking otherwise would mean you think Webster's is distinguishing between rational and irrational discrimination of gay people and then that poses the question "what the hell is rational discrimination of gay people?" lol RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - Belsnickel - 10-04-2017 (10-04-2017, 09:22 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Oh man, I forgot about this. You did this last time you complained about people using the word "homophobe". Yea, no, irrational only modifies fear in that definition. Thinking otherwise would mean you think Webster's is distinguishing between rational and irrational discrimination of gay people and then that poses the question "what the hell is rational discrimination of gay people?" lol Creating a representative sample for research and involving the LGBT community to insure they are represented in a manner that is reflective of the population. ![]() RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - bfine32 - 10-04-2017 (10-04-2017, 09:22 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Oh man, I forgot about this. You did this last time you complained about people using the word "homophobe". Yea, no, irrational only modifies fear in that definition. Thinking otherwise would mean you think Webster's is distinguishing between rational and irrational discrimination of gay people and then that poses the question "what the hell is rational discrimination of gay people?" lol No thoughts on the article or the origin of the word? As I said go with your definition. Your much more open-minded, intelligent, and understanding. BTW, much more only modified open-minded. RE: Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - BmorePat87 - 10-04-2017 (10-04-2017, 10:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: No thoughts on the article or the origin of the word? I spoke to the origin of the word. I apologize for not supplying the link, but this is where my quote from a few posts back came from: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/Herek_2004_SRSP.pdf It goes into detail over the trouble with trying to look at homophobia as a clinical term to describe a fear when it describes far more than that. Weinberg certainly seems to disagree with the notion that a new word is needed, most likely because it is his baby, but I do not disagree that a more useful term could exist. That aside, it doesn't really impact the way Weinberg has been using the term since the 70's and the way it is accepted today. This particular paper goes on to discuss the way homophobia influenced the creation of other terms like transphobia and AIDS-phobia and mention the outrage from the antigay community as it marked a shift from looking at being gay as the problem to looking at discrimination against gay people being the problem. It makes sense that a group that believed being gay was a mental illness are staunch opponents of a term that has a clinical stigma attached to it. |