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7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 Source Quote:Denver prosecutors have charged a man with seven counts of jury tampering after they say he tried to influence jurors by passing out literature on jury nullification on Monday. Jury nullification is a corner stone of U.S. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - mallorian69 - 08-06-2015 I don't see how providing info that the court should be providing but often doesn't could be considered "tampering" RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 He's trying to influence jurors. Seems pretty plain to me. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 10:11 AM)mallorian69 Wrote: I don't see how providing info that the court should be providing but often doesn't could be considered "tampering" What info should the court be providing? The jury is supposed to follow the law. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 09:06 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Source Seems pretty clear cut to me. While the headline is designed to capture your attention and inflame the reality is that this guy will in no way be convicted of seven felonies. If he has no record he's very likely to plead to a misdemeanor. In any event this is tampering. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - mallorian69 - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 10:29 AM)michaelsean Wrote: What info should the court be providing? The jury is supposed to follow the law. The fact that nullification is an option. I've done jury duty before and not once was this ever brought to our attention. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 11:25 AM)mallorian69 Wrote: The fact that nullification is an option. I've done jury duty before and not once was this ever brought to our attention. Because it's not an option as far as the court is concerned. A jury can do it, and in a not guilty verdict, there is nothing the court can do about it, but the jury is specifically told that they are to follow the law. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 10:29 AM)michaelsean Wrote: What info should the court be providing? The jury is supposed to follow the law. The jury has the right to disagree with the law. Anyone instructing them to 'follow the law' has no business being a position to say as much. The problem with telling 99% of the people to 'follow the law' is the fact they don't know/understand the law. The courts count on this. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - PhilHos - 08-06-2015 Sooooooooooooo, if a jury decides on nullifcation, how do they notify the judge? "Have you reached a verdict?" "We have." "How do you find?" "We find the defendant guilty, but we're nullifying the charges." How funny would it be if this guy went to trial and his jury decided on nullification? ![]() RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 11:34 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: The jury has the right to disagree with the law. Anyone instructing them to 'follow the law' has no business being a position to say as much. The problem with telling 99% of the people to 'follow the law' is the fact they don't know/understand the law. The courts count on this. I don't know where you get this from. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - PhilHos - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 11:34 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: The jury has the right to disagree with the law. Anyone instructing them to 'follow the law' has no business being a position to say as much. The problem with telling 99% of the people to 'follow the law' is the fact they don't know/understand the law. The courts count on this. But jury nullification, unless I'm mistaken, IS legal. Meaning it's "the law", too. So, by saying they SHOULDN'T follow the law, you're saying you're against jury nullification, but the rest of your posts make it sound like you're in favor of it. So which is it? RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 11:48 AM)PhilHos Wrote: But jury nullification, unless I'm mistaken, IS legal. Meaning it's "the law", too. So, by saying they SHOULDN'T follow the law, you're saying you're against jury nullification, but the rest of your posts make it sound like you're in favor of it. So which is it? I didn't write they shouldn't follow the law. I wrote they have the option of disagreeing with it. I'm in favor of nullification. It's fundamental aspect of the very few powers an individual has in this country. Nullification wields as much power as a vote for office. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 Link to the stink Quote:A Denver man has been charged with multiple felonies after he was caught distributing fliers to educate potential jurors about the practice of “jury nullification.” RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Vas Deferens - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 11:36 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Sooooooooooooo, if a jury decides on nullifcation, how do they notify the judge? That would be the best way to spread the msg about nullification. That jury sure as hell would know what it is. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 As a matter of fairness, nullification presents dangers. It was used many times, it seems, as a means to acquit white people of crimes against blacks, during the Jim Crow era. I'm sure there are more examples but this one will do. I'm not implying its a double edged sword, however nullification shouldn't be applied loosely in any case. Still, I maintain its use is on par with a single vote for office and should be common knowledge amongst the people. I can see why the legal system wouldn't want it to be, but I can't excuse it. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 01:38 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: As a matter of fairness, nullification presents dangers. It was used many times, it seems, as a means to acquit white people of crimes against blacks, during the Jim Crow era. I'm sure there are more examples but this one will do. It seems you think there is some law that grants jury nullification. It just exists due to our double jeopardy laws, and that of course we don't hold jurors somehow responsible for their decision nor do we know, unless they tell us, what factors they used to decide the verdict. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 01:48 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It seems you think there is some law that grants jury nullification. It just exists due to our double jeopardy laws, and that of course we don't hold jurors somehow responsible for their decision nor do we know, unless they tell us, what factors they used to decide the verdict. And you seem to think it is illegal and unfounded in law when it is, in fact legal and goes all the way back to the 17th century and possibly further. I won't debate it's implications in double jeopardy and jurors privacy, but let's not pretend that's it's only usefulness. A jury may use it when it feels laws are unjust. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 02:57 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: And you seem to think it is illegal and unfounded in law when it is, in fact legal and goes all the way back to the 17th century and possibly further. It does not exist in our law. It's something that is possible because of our other laws. To suggest that a judge should instruct on something that is not in our law makes no sense. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - Devils Advocate - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 03:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It does not exist in our law. It's something that is possible because of our other laws. To suggest that a judge should instruct on something that is not in our law makes no sense. I can agree with that. I'd like retract my earlier statement alluding to that. Still, a jury should be informed of the ability whether it's from the defense or elsewhere. In fact they were, up until the 1800's. RE: 7 felonies for passing out jury nullification fliers - michaelsean - 08-06-2015 (08-06-2015, 04:02 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: I can agree with that. I'd like retract my earlier statement alluding to that. Still, a jury should be informed of the ability whether it's from the defense or elsewhere. In fact they were up until the 1800's. What the hell am I supposed to do with that? ![]() |