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Zarate Not Guilty - bfine32 - 11-30-2017 ..of murdering Kate Steinle https://www.yahoo.com/news/kate-steinle-shooting-mexican-man-232500821.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=ecd5e8af-dc90-3332-9efb-d522bf6b8dfa&.tsrc=notification-brknews Quote:The undocumented immigrant accused of murdering Kate Steinle has been found not guilty of homicide, capping a closely-watched trial that magnified a contentious national debate over immigration policy. Could this cause folks to riot? RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Belsnickel - 11-30-2017 Probably not. Sad they didn't charge with manslaughter, would have likely been a conviction. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - treee - 11-30-2017 Why would it cause a riot? Why is it surprising that a jury found a ricocheting bullet not to be intentional killing? Maybe the prosecutor should have went for manslaughter instead. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - bfine32 - 11-30-2017 (11-30-2017, 10:20 PM)treee Wrote: Why would it cause a riot? Why is it surprising that a jury found a ricocheting bullet not to be intentional killing? Maybe the prosecutor should have went for manslaughter instead. Well this was a case filled with emotion as the suspect was a felon that many thought should not have been in the country. Wonder what he was shooting at that caused the bullet to ricochet? It is exactly as the Freddie Gray case. DA over-charged and that one caused riots if memory serves. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - bfine32 - 11-30-2017 (11-30-2017, 10:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Probably not. Sad they didn't charge with manslaughter, would have likely been a conviction. I will be curious to see the sentencing for felon in possession of a firearm. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - CKwi88 - 11-30-2017 Not sure about riots, but I sense tweets coming soon. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Belsnickel - 11-30-2017 (11-30-2017, 10:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well this was a case filled with emotion as the suspect was a felon that many thought should not have been in the country. Wonder what he was shooting at that caused the bullet to ricochet? The defense argued the discharge of the firearm was accidental, so he wasn't shooting at anything. Interestingly, a federal defense attorney I follow on Twitter also brought up that voluntary manslaughter in California requires intent and since the prosecution was hinging on that intent, involuntary manslaughter wasn't likely presented to the jury as an option in the situation. (11-30-2017, 10:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I will be curious to see the sentencing for felon in possession of a firearm. It will be interesting, for sure, to see what happens. Especially since he isn't supposed to be here. (11-30-2017, 10:36 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Not sure about riots, but I sense tweets coming soon. Oh, they are there. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - mallorian69 - 12-01-2017 (11-30-2017, 10:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ..of murdering Kate Steinle No because it was a white woman killed by an illegal. If it had been the other way around they would have had to call out the National Guard already. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - JustWinBaby - 12-01-2017 (11-30-2017, 10:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Probably not. Sad they didn't charge with manslaughter, would have likely been a conviction. It's getting ridiculous. This is at least the 3rd high-profile case I can probably think of that was overcharged resulting in no conviction. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Benton - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 01:26 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: It's getting ridiculous. This is at least the 3rd high-profile case I can probably think of that was overcharged resulting in no conviction. There’s a variety of reasons why it happens. Attorneys looking to make a name, prosecutors expecting the other side to plead down, concerns that they’ll get a conviction only to have a judge sentence lightly. But it seems like the approach these days is too aim too high and hope for the best. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 01:57 AM)Benton Wrote: There’s a variety of reasons why it happens. Attorneys looking to make a name, prosecutors expecting the other side to plead down, concerns that they’ll get a conviction only to have a judge sentence lightly. But it seems like the approach these days is too aim too high and hope for the best. Only when political reasons take precedence over the law. In high profile cases the DA themselves, an elected official, becomes personally involved in what charges are filed. They are, at their heart, political animals. One need understand nothing more to grasp the reasons behind these circumstances. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Belsnickel - 12-01-2017 Here is an interesting write-up on the case from Red State. https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/ RE: Zarate Not Guilty - GMDino - 12-01-2017 Remarkably restrained, if still unhinged. ![]() But he's got to blame the Democrats for the GOP not being able to pass another piece of legislation so he's busy.... ![]() RE: Zarate Not Guilty - GMDino - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 10:00 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Here is an interesting write-up on the case from Red State. https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/ So sanctuary cities aren't just lawless towns where illegal immigrants can run wild? Quote:[One quick but important note: Garcia Zarate is not going free. The jury did convict him of a lesser charge of being a felon in possession of a gun, and he now awaits sentencing, which will be 16 months, two years, or three years in state prison. He has already served two years and will get credit for that time, but even if he is not given the maximum sentence, there is an outstanding U.S. Marshals Service warrant against him, and despite the sanctuary cities policy, San Francisco apparently does turn over undocumented immigrants to the feds when they have a warrant. So he is either getting deported, or spending more time in prison first, and then getting deported.] RE: Zarate Not Guilty - GMDino - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 02:17 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Only when political reasons take precedence over the law. In high profile cases the DA themselves, an elected official, becomes personally involved in what charges are filed. They are, at their heart, political animals. One need understand nothing more to grasp the reasons behind these circumstances. Bingo. Quote:The prosecutors were under tremendous political pressure. People wanted Kate Steinle’s killer’s head on a platter, even before Donald Trump ever tweeted her name. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Belsnickel - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 10:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: Remarkably restrained, if still unhinged. I could be wrong in this, but it would be my guess that even had the previous convictions been brought up, they would have been objected to due to relevance. Trying this case on the merits of the case alone, the prior convictions would be difficult to really bring up as none of them were violent crimes. If the crux of the case is proving intent to kill, then those don't help and could possibly result in you being in hot water with the judge. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 10:09 AM)GMDino Wrote: Bingo. Odd, then, that you didn't see the exact same thing with the Freddy Gray case. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - jason - 12-01-2017 (11-30-2017, 10:36 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Not sure about riots, but I sense tweets coming soon. I've seen 3 of them. "Disgrace", "Obama's border", "Schumer and Pelosi weak on crime", and "BUILD THE WALL!"... Pretty much a greatest hits collection. RE: Zarate Not Guilty - Benton - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 10:36 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I could be wrong in this, but it would be my guess that even had the previous convictions been brought up, they would have been objected to due to relevance. Trying this case on the merits of the case alone, the prior convictions would be difficult to really bring up as none of them were violent crimes. If the crux of the case is proving intent to kill, then those don't help and could possibly result in you being in hot water with the judge. It's been about 10 years, but I covered a murder case (George Luna) where the guy was accused of murdering a woman and setting fire to her house. He fled, but a trooper pulled him over in another state, where Luna threatened to kill the guy. He was charged with threatening an officer and extradited for murder. Part of his appeal for a new trial was that the jury was tainted when prosecutors brought up him threatening the trooper (there were some other minor discrepancies, too) because it didn't relate to his history or the murder. His conviction was overturned and he was granted a new trial (which he was convicted again and given a harsher sentence). RE: Zarate Not Guilty - JustWinBaby - 12-01-2017 (12-01-2017, 02:17 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: They are, at their heart, political animals. One need understand nothing more to grasp the reasons behind these circumstances. I get that, and it's a complete miscarriage of justice for all parties involved. |