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Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 12-08-2017 http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2017/12/08/gerrymandering-data-top-Pennsylvania-Republicans-fought-to-keep-private-redistricting-voting-election/stories/201712080123 Quote:Republican lawmakers used detailed data on the partisan leanings of voters when they created the current Pennsylvania congressional map, according to documents federal judges had ordered them to turn over in a trial that began this week. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - SunsetBengal - 12-08-2017 So, what's the big deal? Districts should be set up so that at the local level we don't have people being in rural areas being affected by voters in larger, incorporated areas. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 11:00 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, what's the big deal? Districts should be set up so that at the local level we don't have people being in rural areas being affected by voters in larger, incorporated areas. Or districts could be set up with even numbers of people in them no matter where they are. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - NATI BENGALS - 12-09-2017 (12-08-2017, 11:00 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, what's the big deal? Districts should be set up so that at the local level we don't have people being in rural areas being affected by voters in larger, incorporated areas. The big deal is gerrymandering is a big reason we have a bunch of turds continually getting re elected on both sidEs. And its a way your government often times silences the opinion of the majority. If you support those two things... Well RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - Benton - 12-09-2017 (12-08-2017, 11:00 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, what's the big deal? Districts should be set up so that at the local level we don't have people being in rural areas being affected by voters in larger, incorporated areas. These are (roughly) Kentucky's districts. Population-wise maybe it makes sense. Demographic-wise, it's nonsense. The folks in Hickman County (far west river county) and the folks in Casey County (land locked central Kentucky) have virtually nothing in common and about 300 miles in between. But they're in the same Congressional district. And the bad part is Kentucky's districts aren't even bad compared to most states. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - Mike M (the other one) - 12-14-2017 LOL Like this is a big surprise??? Both sides do it, but it should be done by an independent group that has no affiliation with either party, but it would only be a matter of time before that group became corrupted as well. So it'd only be a temporary Band-Aid. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 12:50 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL Surprise? No. In this case the GOP is/was trying to hide the info they used for the redistricting. Just nice to get some sunlight on the hidden things behind the issue. I'd prefer a bipartisan group with a community oversight and perhaps the courts with final say. That might work for awhile. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - Benton - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 12:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: Surprise? No. I believe in some states courts do have some say so in redistricting. But, overall, we do have community oversight. Elections. No matter how much gerrymandering there is, if enough people make enough noise, they can change the system. It's just by and large, people don't. They say 'yeah, that's bad' and then go back to browsing message boards. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 01:34 PM)Benton Wrote: I believe in some states courts do have some say so in redistricting. I totally agree that people complain...and then vote for the same guy/gal. But they also have their hands tied to a certain extent. In our county it is not unusual to see the same name on both the D and R ballot. Running unopposed. I won't vote for someone running unopposed. And in local elections you better be a democrat if you want to win (95% of the time)...but on the national/state it can swing either way. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 02-20-2018 http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/02/new_pa_congressional_map_is_ou.html++ Quote:Pennsylvania's new Congressional map, as handed down by the Supreme Court RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - michaelsean - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 12:33 AM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/02/new_pa_congressional_map_is_ou.html++ So what did they base the original uncostitutionality on? I thought so far gerrymandering has been upheld. Secondly, I'd say it's one thing for a court to say, "Do it again", versus them doing it themselves. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 05:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So what did they base the original uncostitutionality on? I thought so far gerrymandering has been upheld. If I remember the original story about PA correctly the GOP admitted they hired someone to do the lines based on helping them win. It was a very dumb thing. And they did tell them to "do it again" but the GOP decided to try and go to court and fight any changes, and they lost. Now they are trying to go to court to stop this change. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - BmorePat87 - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 05:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So what did they base the original uncostitutionality on? I thought so far gerrymandering has been upheld. There are some rules, but usually the rulings are partisan. This story highlights the opinion of the court regarding how the map violate PA's constitution. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pennsylvania-supreme-court-gerrymandering_us_5a7b8f9de4b08dfc92ffcb68 the reason for the court issuing a map is that the state legislature and governor failed to agree on a replacement before the deadline. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - BmorePat87 - 02-20-2018 It's funny reading McDonalds Trump call a balanced map free of gerrymandering "taking" the election
RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - GMDino - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 08:56 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It's funny reading McDonalds Trump call a balanced map free of gerrymandering "taking" the election Well for one he probably does believe that since he has the mind of a seven year old and secondly he has to feed the sheep: "they" are out to get "you" by rigging elections. Again, irony. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - NATI BENGALS - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 08:56 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It's funny reading McDonalds Trump call a balanced map free of gerrymandering "taking" the election Its gone past the funny stage for me. This is a serious disease infecting the minds of countless people. The give him a chance crowd is buying in and the non stop barrage of fake news from fox news is repeated every night. The large scale brainwashing misinformation campaign is the most disturbing thing i have seen in American politics in my life. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - Belsnickel - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 05:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So what did they base the original uncostitutionality on? I thought so far gerrymandering has been upheld. There have already been a couple of answers, but I did want to clarify something. The state supreme court is who forced the redraw. They gave the legislature/governor an ultimatum, they appealed to SCOTUS. SCOTUS denied their certiorari because this is a matter of the state constitution, not federal, and SCOTUS doesn't like to get involved in those. SCOTUS does have cases on their dockets regarding the federal status of gerrymandering that have yet to be decided. When SCOTUS kicked it back, legislature/governor failed to comply and so the state supreme court called in experts to draw the map for them. RE: Inside the gerrymandering data top Pa. Republicans fought to keep private - BmorePat87 - 02-20-2018 (02-20-2018, 09:37 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Its gone past the funny stage for me. No, you're right. It is sad that the courts have declared an obviously corrupt practice to be unconstitutional and the President is trying to tell people that enforcing a state constitution and fairness essentially amounts to stealing elections. It's serious because at the very least we should all agree on the idea of an honest and open election and truth in how we talk about our government's structure. |