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Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Vlad - 01-04-2018 Thank You President Trump https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-03/manufacturing-in-u-s-accelerates-to-cap-best-year-since-2004 ![]() RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Belsnickel - 01-04-2018 Meanwhile, in the cutting of regulations, the number of coal mining deaths nearly doubled in 2017. Also, what were the actual jobs gained? The article doesn't discuss that. Did manufacturing jobs actually increase? RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Nately120 - 01-04-2018 I'm just glancing at this, but the graph doesn't exactly show the Obama years to have significantly less domestic manufacturing activity than now. In fact, the uptick from 08-09 looks to be the most significant increase by far. ![]() RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - GMDino - 01-04-2018 ![]() https://www.truthexam.com/2017/12/under-donald-trumps-leadership-american-jobs-sent-overseas-hits-five-year-record-high/ Quote:Under Trump’s Leadership, American Jobs Sent Overseas Hits Five-Year Record High https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-carrier-offshoring-jobs_us_5a1f6f97e4b0a8581e67e62e?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 Quote:After helping strike a deal to keep the Carrier Corporation from shutting down its furnace plant in Indianapolis one year ago on Wednesday, Donald Trump said the days of companies shipping jobs overseas had ended. https://qz.com/1144201/under-trump-us-jobs-are-moving-overseas-even-faster-than-before/ Quote:Under Trump, US jobs are moving overseas even faster than before https://actionnetwork.org/user_files/user_files/000/019/433/original/GOOD_JOBS_NATION_Trump's_First_Year_-_Outsourcing_by_Federal_Contractors_Worsens.pdf ![]() RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - BmorePat87 - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 10:09 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm just glancing at this, but the graph doesn't exactly show the Obama years to have significantly less domestic manufacturing activity than now. In fact, the uptick from 08-09 looks to be the most significant increase by far. wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017? RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - GMDino - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 09:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Meanwhile, in the cutting of regulations, the number of coal mining deaths nearly doubled in 2017. I guess that's how Trump is creating more mining jobs? ![]() Yes I do have sympathy for the victims...this was a joke. <--- in before the more sensitive amung us start up. RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Belsnickel - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 10:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017? This is one of the fascinating things to me, the perception of the economy. People's perception of the economy is entirely subjective based on whether they agree with who is in power, and primarily based on the executive. The economy has steadily been improving since the recession, yet folks on the right talk as if that has not been the case. Immediately upon Trump's election and then inauguration, the roles reversed and folks on the right perceived a better economy than those on the left. There was no real substantive change, yet the perception is far different from reality. RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - GMDino - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 10:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017? Not growing fast enough!!! We have to inflate it quicker! Kind of like a giant balloon....that will never pop. ![]() RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Dill - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 10:53 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is one of the fascinating things to me, the perception of the economy. People's perception of the economy is entirely subjective based on whether they agree with who is in power, and primarily based on the executive. The economy has steadily been improving since the recession, yet folks on the right talk as if that has not been the case. Immediately upon Trump's election and then inauguration, the roles reversed and folks on the right perceived a better economy than those on the left. There was no real substantive change, yet the perception is far different from reality. I wouldn't say "entirely subjective." No one was wrong to perceive the the recession and job losses of 2008-09. And "the left" was not wrong to recognize how the US crawled out of that hole in subsequent years. Seems to me that "the left's" perception of the economy has always hewn closely to stastics and other corroborating evidence, not whether Clinton or Obama was in power. It continues to do so. The right's perception rests largely upon how their news sources frame and dramatize the stats, and whether Clinton and Obama were in power. E.g., during the long climb out of recession, Obama was continually cast as the worst president ever. Commentators introduced new criteria for evaluating unemployment. That continues as well. The only "role reversal" I see is that rightists now say we have the best president ever and credit the rise in employment and manufacture which continued into his first year in office as wholly his creation. RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Griever - 01-04-2018 is this actually because of him, or is it along the lines of him taking credit for no airline deaths RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Belsnickel - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 01:27 PM)Dill Wrote: I wouldn't say "entirely subjective." No one was wrong to perceive the the recession and job losses of 2008-09. And "the left" was not wrong to recognize how the US crawled out of that hole in subsequent years. You may see it this way, but I can say that folks who are more partisan on the left do indeed have a subjective view of the economy based upon their side being in office. It isn't something only the right engages in. RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - JustWinBaby - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 10:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017? Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline. There's been a clear and significant increase since Hillary lost (and, yes, I intentionally chose not to type "since Trump won"). I mean, I guess I have kind of seen it all now. As part of the continued white-washing and propping-up of Obama's economic record, we're just going to ignore and lie about the economic activity since the progressive socialist agenda got voted out in 2016? RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - GMDino - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 02:55 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline. More jobs left the country under Trump than the average of the previous eight years. RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - Belsnickel - 01-04-2018 (01-04-2018, 02:55 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline. Neoliberalism isn't progressive, and it is far from socialist. I'm not denying that there is a lot of white-washing that goes on, but let's not be hyperbolic to the point of being wrong. On top of that, this isn't talking about jobs, but expansion of manufacturing. Is this an increase in productivity? What is the correlation to jobs created? What is the number of net jobs created in the US when jobs cut and/or moved outside of the US are taken into consideration? That information has not been provided. RE: Manufacturing...best year since 2004 - BmorePat87 - 01-05-2018 (01-04-2018, 02:55 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline. This article references production not jobs and even notes employment declined. |