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What did Rubio say... - Nebuchadnezzar - 08-10-2015
...that has Hilary fired up?
RE: What did Rubio say... - SunsetBengal - 08-10-2015
He showed that he is a composed speaker, and viable candidate that would most certainly destroy her in a National Debate forum. So, before he gathers much steam, she decided to attempt to take him out, early.
RE: What did Rubio say... - jakefromstatefarm - 08-10-2015
"Reporters want her to issue the requisite condemnation of Trump’s “blood” comment about Kelly, which she dutifully does, but she’s more interested in discussing Marco Rubio’s answer at the debate about opposing abortion exceptions for rape and incest. The Clintons, at least for now, are still betting that they have more to fear long-term from Rubio than from Trump; at the very least, they think Rubio’s comment might be seen by single women as representative of the party as a whole in a way that Trump’s remark about Kelly isn’t."
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/10/hillary-on-trump-and-megyn-kelly-hes-outrageous-but-what-marco-rubio-said-about-abortion-is-just-as-troubling/
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 07:55 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: ...that has Hilary fired up?
He said he doesn't support rape exceptions for abortion.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He said he doesn't support rape exceptions for abortion.
Because it's almost as rare as seeing a unicorn.
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Because it's almost as rare as seeing a unicorn.
What's rare?
Rape causing pregnancy or ending a rape caused pregnancy with abortion?
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:12 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: What's rare?
Rape causing pregnancy or ending a rape caused pregnancy with abortion?
All the above.
RE: What did Rubio say... - GodHatesBengals - 08-10-2015
Most Americans are on Hillary's side on this one.
Telling a rape victim she must carry her attacker's child isn't very popular for most people. Doesn't matter if it's rare, either.
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: All the above.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-the-incidence-of-rape-resulting-in-pregnancy-is-very-low/2013/06/12/936bc45e-d3ad-11e2-8cbe-1bcbee06f8f8_blog.html
It's hard to get real data on rape given the fact that it's very underreported, but let's go with the 5% number. If 5% of rapes end in pregnancy that's roughly 31,000 based on if we're going with the CDC estimates.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
The study that got the rape percentage determined that a half did not seek medical attention for the rape and a third did not even realize they were pregnant until the 2nd trimester. 62% got abortions.
You must see a TON of unicorns in Florida.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:18 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Most Americans are on Hillary's side on this one.
Telling a rape victim she must carry her attacker's child isn't very popular for most people. Doesn't matter if it's rare, either.
Happens less than 1% of the time. It's a false argument.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-the-incidence-of-rape-resulting-in-pregnancy-is-very-low/2013/06/12/936bc45e-d3ad-11e2-8cbe-1bcbee06f8f8_blog.html
It's hard to get real data on rape
given the fact that it's very underreported, but let's go with the 5% number. If 5% of rapes end in pregnancy that's roughly 31,000 based on if we're going with the CDC estimates.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
The study that got the rape percentage determined that a half did not seek medical attention for the rape and a third did not even realize they were pregnant until the 2nd trimester. 62% got abortions.
You must see a TON of unicorns in Florida.
That link won't work for me . Please quote the article.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
http://www.operationrescue.org/about-abortion/abortions-in-america/
This has loads of stats.
Quote:WHY WOMEN GET ABORTIONS
• Some 1.06 million abortions were performed in 2011, down from 1.21 million abortions in 2008, a decline of 13%.
• Women who have never been married account for one-third of abortions in America.
• Less than 1% of all abortions take place because of rape and/or incest.
Women give an average of 3.7 reasons why they are seeking an abortion including the following:
• 21% Inadequate finances
• 21% Not ready for responsibility
• 16% Woman’s life would be changed too much
• 12% Problems with relationships, unmarried
• 11% Too young and/or immature
• 8% Children are grown; she has all she wants
• 3% Baby has possible health problems
• <1% Pregnancy caused by rape/incest
• 4% Other
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: That link won't work for me . Please quote the article.
I paraphrased the relevant numbers.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:35 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I paraphrased the relevant numbers.
Looks like they are pumping up rape numbers due to the belief it's not reported.
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:33 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.operationrescue.org/about-abortion/abortions-in-america/
This has loads of stats.
lol, I liked at the end where it just said "sources: Census.gov, guttmacher.org, and foxnews.com" without giving any actual articles, pages, or reports from those sites for their numbers. It reminded me of what my students do when they don't know how to cite anything.
If you want actual numbers with sources, check out the study I posted.
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:37 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Looks like they are pumping up rape numbers due to the belief it's not reported.
No, they got that 5% number based on their study. They didn't adjust it based on a belief that it is underreported.
A separate study estimated that it could be 6.4%.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:37 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: lol, I liked at the end where it just said "sources: Census.gov, guttmacher.org, and foxnews.com" without giving any actual articles, pages, or reports from those sites for their numbers. It reminded me of what my students do when they don't know how to cite anything.
If you want actual numbers with sources, check out the study I posted.
Your study assumes 5% based on pregnancy happening 5% of the time you have sex. For 5% to be The number the women would only be getting raped. Their normal non rape sex would water down that 5%.
RE: What did Rubio say... - GodHatesBengals - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:27 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Happens less than 1% of the time. It's a false argument.
And like I said, doesn't matter how rare it is whatsoever. Rubio specifically said a rape victim should have to give birth to her attacker's baby. Most Americans oppose that.
RE: What did Rubio say... - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:51 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Your study assumes 5% based on pregnancy happening 5% of the time you have sex. For 5% to be The number the women would only be getting raped. Their normal non rape sex would water down that 5%.
No, they looked at the percent of the women in their study who were raped and then looked at how many of those who were raped became pregnant because of it.
had they not factored out women who were raped but became pregnant by other people, they would have had 6% and not 5%.
RE: What did Rubio say... - StLucieBengal - 08-11-2015
(08-10-2015, 09:53 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: And like I said, doesn't matter how rare it is whatsoever. Rubio specifically said a rape victim should have to give birth to her attacker's baby. Most Americans oppose that.
If you get raped. You can pop a morning after pill. No abortion needed.