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RE: Bad Boys II - BmorePat87 - 06-06-2020

(06-05-2020, 01:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: To be fair look how polite the police are to these people.   Mellow


When he looks at the camera at the end and realized he was being filmed... 


RE: Bad Boys II - Belsnickel - 06-06-2020

(06-06-2020, 12:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I must admit when the Floyd case was first made public I held the other 3 Officers equally accountable; however, discovering they were rookies and he was their training officer changes my opinion. Whomever made this psycho a training officer needs to be held accountable:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/officers-charged-george-floyds-death-190215541.html

Wow, that is ridiculous, especially given the, what was it, 17, previous complaints against him.

This whole situation has brought up an interesting conversation about unions on the left. It's pretty clear that the police union and their protectionist attitudes are a serious problem, here. If you take the ways teachers' unions protect their people and ratchet it up a dozen or so notches, you get police unions. The left is pro-labor, but seeing the way this union has operated is making a lot of people think long and hard about this.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-06-2020

(06-06-2020, 03:58 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Wow, that is ridiculous, especially given the, what was it, 17, previous complaints against him.

This whole situation has brought up an interesting conversation about unions on the left. It's pretty clear that the police union and their protectionist attitudes are a serious problem, here. If you take the ways teachers' unions protect their people and ratchet it up a dozen or so notches, you get police unions. The left is pro-labor, but seeing the way this union has operated is making a lot of people think long and hard about this.

There are bad actors and bad union people.  Find 'em, get of them.

Teachers or cops.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-06-2020

https://abc7news.com/san-jose-police-george-floyd-protest-bay-area-shot-by-during/6234212/


Quote:Man who trains San Jose police about bias severely injured by riot gun during George Floyd protest


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A community activist, who has worked for years to promote understanding between San Jose police and the public, was seriously injured by a riot gun in the George Floyd protest one week ago.


SAN JOSE, Calif. (KGO) -- A community activist, who has worked for years to promote understanding between San Jose police and the public, was seriously injured by a riot gun in the [url=https://abc7news.com/tag/george-floyd/]George Floyd
 protest one week ago.

I-TEAM EXCLUSIVE: Unarmed black man handcuffed by Alameda police for 'dancing in the street'

He has now retained an attorney and spoke to the I-Team's Dan Noyes.



Derrick Sanderlin knows the San Jose police chief well and has worked with him for three years.

But tonight, he can't help questioning if they've made any progress at all.

When protesters shut down Highway 101 in San Jose last week over the killing of George Floyd, they targeted a blue Mustang.

The owner had a "Blue Lives Matter" license plate frame.

RELATED: San Jose police officer under investigation for behavior during George Floyd protests

He later said it was not in support of police, but to avoid speeding tickets.

When a man with a skateboard smashed out his window, 27-year-old community activist Derrick Sanderlin stepped in to calm the situation and escort the driver to safety.

Sanderlin later made his way to San Jose City Hall. SKY7 was overhead to catch the confrontations with police, and ABC7 was on the ground.

Just across the street, Sanderlin saw police shooting rubber bullets at protesters, including young women at close range.



Officer Jared Yuen, who has already been placed on desk duty, is now facing an internal affairs investigation for his aggressive behavior.

"I really just couldn't watch it anymore," Sanderlin said. "And just kind of made like a parallel walkover, put my hands up, and just stood in the line of the fire and asked them to please not do this."

The video shows the officers' training their riot guns on Sanderlin.

RELATED: SJPD chief fires back at critics, says officers 'endured an onslaught of violence'

He stood a good distance away, made no aggressive motions to police, yet they fired on him several times, one round hitting him in the groin.

"I pause for a moment like maybe this isn't, maybe this doesn't hurt and falling afterwards is like the most painful experience," he said.

Derrick and Cayla Sanderlin have been married four years.

They both work for charities helping people who are suffering economically during the pandemic.

After Derrick's emergency surgery for a rupture, the doctors aren't sure they'll be able to have children.

"The doctor had let me know before the operation that there's no way of fully telling until you try to have kids," Derrick Sanderlin said.



"And I just started weeping at the thought of that. You know, we, we do want kids and we're very close to having kids," Cayla Sanderlin said.

They have retained an attorney who is preparing a claim against the city and the police.

"They were aiming for a body part that is prohibited when using those type of riot guns. You're not meant to aim at the groin or the head ever," said attorney Sarah Marinho.

RELATED: ONLY ON ABC7NEWS.COM: Man who helped injured officer in viral video later shot with rubber bullet during SJ protest

This story then takes a turn.

That officer didn't know the person he shot has connections or that he knows the San Jose police chief personally.

For three years, Derrick Sanderlin has helped train new police recruits about implicit bias and procedural justice. He wonders now if that work was in vain.

"The way that the way that they've treated people out there has over the weekend has been really heartbreaking because the chief is like a good person, who's really trying to do the right thing," he said.

IRELATED: SJ police escalate response with flashbang grenades, tear gas, rubber bullets

ABC7 broke the news to Chief Eddie Garcia about what happened.

This afternoon, he called Derrick Sanderlin and issued a statement: "Derrick has been a real leader in our communities' efforts to reduce bias and discrimination through dialogue. I assured him we will be investigating this incident."

The chief also said he is re-evaluating at what point in a confrontation officers can fire those projectiles.

It's almost like if you give people guns and tell them to shoot they start with the easiest targets first.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-06-2020

 


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-06-2020

Just another "Bad apple" absued by the citizens!

 


RE: Bad Boys II - BmorePat87 - 06-06-2020

(06-06-2020, 08:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Just another "Bad apple" absued by the citizens!

 

egghh, I don't agree with what the cop did, but I lost sympathy for that man when he used the R word. 


RE: Bad Boys II - Dill - 06-07-2020

(06-06-2020, 08:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Just another "Bad apple" absued by the citizens!

LOL that dialogue reminds of some "debates" on this message board.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-07-2020

(06-06-2020, 11:44 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: egghh, I don't agree with what the cop did, but I lost sympathy for that man when he used the R word. 

Yeah, completely unnecessary.  But also completely avoidable if the "officer of the law" wasn't in his face almost begging him to do something that would get him arrested for, well, they'll "figure it out".


RE: Bad Boys II - BmorePat87 - 06-07-2020

(06-07-2020, 10:04 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, completely unnecessary.  But also completely avoidable if the "officer of the law" wasn't in his face almost begging him to do something that would get him arrested for, well, they'll "figure it out".

The cop isn't responsible for him using it. If you're freely using the word, you use it on a regular basis. It's avoidable by not being shitty.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-07-2020

(06-07-2020, 03:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The cop isn't responsible for him using it. If you're freely using the word, you use it on a regular basis. It's avoidable by not being shitty.

You are correct on that point.

I will rephrase to saw that the victim wouldn't have shown his ignorance on the video and in public had the officer not engaged him thusly.

Not excuse for using that word.  Not my intent.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-07-2020

(06-05-2020, 05:33 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/57-buffalo-cops-resign-to-support-suspended-officers-who-pushed-down-elderly-man/

The whole team resigned in protest to them being suspended for that... the entire team supported attacking that man without consequence

Update!  

They didn't resign in support of the other two officers...just because they are afraid they too may be suspended for doing something in the future.

 


RE: Bad Boys II - BmorePat87 - 06-07-2020

(06-07-2020, 08:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: Update!  

They didn't resign in support of the other two officers...just because they are afraid they too may be suspended for doing something in the future.

 

I saw them applauding the 2 officers. This is why people are angry. If a teacher shoved a kid who was trying to hand them something they dropped, by no means would you see this.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-08-2020

(06-07-2020, 11:26 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I saw them applauding the 2 officers. This is why people are angry. If a teacher shoved a kid who was trying to hand them something they dropped, by no means would you see this.

But I thought teacher unions were absolutely awful and police unions were great?!?!  Ninja


Yeah they are all covering their own hind ends when there isn't a justification for any of what has happened.  I'm really surprised they wen twith "he tripped" instead of he "said something" and "resisted".


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-08-2020

Wanted to post a personal note here too:

I was talking with my son in law over the weekend and while discussing the protests he said "Do you know how a rubber bullet is supposed to be used?"  And I had to admit I just assumed they were like bullets...only rubber...lol...and maybe fired slower?  I dunno...not a gun guy.  I've seen some of the photos of people who were hit in the face and it looks really bad.

Anyway he tells me they are to fired at the ground and "bounced" into crowds to try and disperse them.  And then I though of all the photos again.  And the officer who was aiming the gun at a child.  And that, for the first time, made me not just concerned and worried but mad.  If officers don't have enough training to NOT even AIM a rubber bullet at a person they need removed immediately.  Seems like the kind of thing they would/should be told after being handed the weapon.  

Maybe that's just me.


RE: Bad Boys II - Dill - 06-08-2020

(06-08-2020, 10:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: Anyway he tells me they are to fired at the ground and "bounced" into crowds to try and disperse them.  And then I though of all the photos again.  And the officer who was aiming the gun at a child.  And that, for the first time, made me not just concerned and worried but mad.  If officers don't have enough training to NOT even AIM a rubber bullet at a person they need removed immediately.  Seems like the kind of thing they would/should be told after being handed the weapon.  

Maybe that's just me.

That is one of the concerns of current police reform. 

There appear to be quite a number of people attracted to police work who are not really fit for it.


PS I would not need "training" to know you don't point any riot control weapon at a child or at someone in a wheelchair.
No one who "needs" that training should be in the pool at all.


RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 06-08-2020

(06-08-2020, 10:34 AM)Dill Wrote: That is one of the concerns of current police reform. 

There appear to be quite a number of people attracted to police work who are not really fit for it.


PS I would not need "training" to know you don't point any riot control weapon at a child or at someone in a wheelchair.
No one who "needs" that training should be in the pool at all.

So let's back up to the photo of the officer aiming the gun at a child.  While some would ask how a parent could put their child at risk I would propose that the parent probably didn't count on an officer either so poorly trained or so evil as to aim a weapon meant to be fired into the ground aiming it at them or their child.


RE: Bad Boys II - BmorePat87 - 06-08-2020

https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/brevard-county-fop-facebook/?fbclid=IwAR37-5waNycjsyUD_8SCV65Bz9XiINyXL1VPT718SKgzzFPQW7XBWGh_VCE

You can't make this shit up

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RE: Bad Boys II - BmorePat87 - 06-08-2020

Michael Harriot of the Root, whose videos I use in class to cover a ton of great history of racial policies, had this great response to people bringing up black on black crime, breaking down the actual statistics compared to white on white crime and the degree to which black people give back to their communities compared to other groups.  

It wasn't long ago that members here were posting links from Stormfront to argue that black people were inherently more criminal. The racism exists, and here's a tool to confront it. Check it out. There's over 20 tweets in this thread, so I won't be able to post them all here

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1268463768285188096


RE: Bad Boys II - Belsnickel - 06-08-2020

(06-08-2020, 03:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Michael Harriot of the Root, whose videos I use in class to cover a ton of great history of racial policies, had this great response to people bringing up black on black crime, breaking down the actual statistics compared to white on white crime and the degree to which black people give back to their communities compared to other groups.  

It wasn't long ago that members here were posting links from Stormfront to argue that black people were inherently more criminal. The racism exists, and here's a tool to confront it. Check it out. There's over 20 tweets in this thread, so I won't be able to post them all here

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1268463768285188096

Here's also a lighthearted explainer for the idea that black people are just inherently more criminal.