(06-13-2020, 08:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah. The whole "he was fleeing thing" has a lot more nuance to it than people think. Tennessee v. Garner makes it so an officer cannot shoot a fleeing suspect unless they have reason to believe they are threat to life or limb to the cop or others. So, assault a cop and steal a weapon? Even with it being a taser I'd see that as a threat.

(06-13-2020, 08:11 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: After he attacked both police officers and stole one of their tasers. He is on camera with the stolen taser still in his hand. You can't attack police officers, steal their weapon, point the stolen weapon at them, and then be the "victim".

Because yes, as he was "running away", he pointing the taser at the police officer chasing him. The police officer knows they are just a taser away from being incapacitated and murdered by their own gun. If someone attacks them, steals their taser, and then points it at them? They are going to get shot.
https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1271909804848623617


So seriously, stop it.

(06-13-2020, 08:11 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: After he attacked both police officers and stole one of their tasers. He is on camera with the stolen taser still in his hand. You can't attack police officers, steal their weapon, point the stolen weapon at them, and then be the "victim".

(06-14-2020, 12:08 AM)GMDino Wrote: Sorry, they played judge jury and executioner...again.

Guy was sleeping in his car, maybe he was legally drunk?  Maybe the officers handled it poorly and that led to his "resisting"?

Nah, cops never lie.

I mean the Police chief resigned already.  I'm sure he did that before any kind of investigation because he's sure they did nothing wrong.

Maybe some feel a man deserves to be shot while running away because there is a "legal" way to do it.  I don't.

But then I'd wait for the investigation on this one.  I hear they take time.  

(06-14-2020, 12:08 AM)GMDino Wrote: Sorry, they played judge jury and executioner...again.

Guy was sleeping in his car, maybe he was legally drunk?  Maybe the officers handled it poorly and that led to his "resisting"?

Nah, cops never lie.

I mean the Police chief resigned already.  I'm sure he did that before any kind of investigation because he's sure they did nothing wrong.

Maybe some feel a man deserves to be shot while running away because there is a "legal" way to do it.  I don't.

But then I'd wait for the investigation on this one.  I hear they take time.  

(06-14-2020, 12:26 AM)jason Wrote: This legally drunk guy (allegedly) did have one of the cop's taser when he was shot. I don't know all of the facts on this one yet, but I'm gonna assume that things are gonna end badly for my lily white ass as I'm running away with a cop's taser after I blocked traffic because I passed out in a Wendy's drive thru.

(06-14-2020, 04:28 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Pretty good way to lose support for the BLM movement. Don’t make a martyr out of some idiot who fought cops and stole their weapon and attempted to use it against them. People who were maybe coming around will see this and go right back to not giving af

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• President Donald Trump called Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and senior White House adviser, "my star" during a Monday White House roundtable with law enforcement. 
• Kushner praised law enforcement during the White House event and said he hoped they would help craft solutions "that could bring this country forward" amid national protests against police brutality and racism. 
• The president has derided and attacked the anti-racism protests that have swept the country after George Floyd was killed during an arrest in Minneapolis.
• Trump hasn't voiced support for any reform measure. 
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President Donald Trump referred to Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and senior White House adviser, as "my star" during a Monday White House roundtable with law enforcement. 

During the event, Kushner praised law-enforcement officials, several of whom were invited to the event, for embracing reform and "coming together to fix" policing after hearing the "cries from the community." 

He added, "Hopefully at this time where there's a lot of people in the country who are feeling different pain and feeling different concerns, law enforcement can be a leader in coming together and helping us work towards bringing solutions that could bring this country forward."

Trump then thanked Kushner and called him "my star." 


The president has given Kushner and his daughter Ivanka Trump enormous power in his inner circle, and Kushner has helped lead the administration's efforts on critical issues, like the Middle East peace plan, criminal-justice reform, and the response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Kushner's expansive role in the White House has attracted widespread criticism in part because the former real-estate executive had no experience in government, policy, or foreign relations before helping lead his father-in-law's 2016 presidential campaign. 

While Democrats unveiled sweeping police-reform legislation on Monday, the White House has done little to address national concerns about law-enforcement practices and accountability. 

During the White House roundtable on Monday, Trump announced that he doesn't support defunding or dismantling police departments, as some progressives are calling for, and claimed "99%" of law-enforcement officers are "great people." 

"We want to make sure we don't have any bad actors in there, and sometimes you'll see some horrible things like we witnessed recently, but 99 — I say 99.9, but let's go with 99% of them are great, great people, and they've done jobs that are record-setting — record-setting," Trump said.

Attorney General William Barr recently said he didn't believe there was systemic racism in the nation's law-enforcement system and similarly blamed the pattern of racist killings and police brutality on individuals.

The president has derided and attacked the anti-racism protests that have swept the country after George Floyd was killed during an arrest in Minneapolis. Over the weekend, the president retweeted conservative commentators attacking Floyd's character, and in another message, Trump mocked GOP Sen. Mitt Romney for marching with Black Lives Matter protesters in Washington.

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(06-14-2020, 04:28 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Pretty good way to lose support for the BLM movement. Don’t make a martyr out of some idiot who fought cops and stole their weapon and attempted to use it against them. People who were maybe coming around will see this and go right back to not giving af

(06-14-2020, 08:40 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote:  Sadly that's exactly what this is going to do. Polar opposite of the George Floyd case. But good people are too afraid to speak up & differentiate between the two because of the backlash. When anyone acts this stupid & reckless bad things are going to happen. Haven't heard anything from the ex chief but would it be surprising she quit because she sees that too.

(06-14-2020, 08:03 AM)GMDino Wrote: Here's the bodycam.





I guess they had "no choice" but arrest him for sleeping in his car after drinking. 

They never let them call someone to get them....right?  Especially when the suspect is as clam and non-disrespectful as this guy.  Right?

I guess if he had not resisted they wouldn't have had to try and tase him and them lost their taser and then he wouldn't have turned with it and then they wouldn't have used their legal right to escalate to killing a suspect.

I mean not like it's happened before: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-steals-nypd-taser-zaps-three-officers-20190423-gceinbprerhkpfy6g2lk2avml4-story.html

I guess I still can't justify in my mind killing him. Glad others can.

(06-14-2020, 01:47 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't know if you're allegedly the legally drunk or the have a taser, because the taser bit isn't allegedly. 

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1272009448890884097

You can clearly see him take the officer's taser as he fights them. It's in his hand as he passes the car.

https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1271909804848623617

There's him running. At 3-4 seconds you can see him slow down, turn, and point (and possibly fire) the taser at the cop behind him. Only when he turns and threatens the one police officer is when he gets shot.

There's no allegedly in this. He fought the police, stole one of their tasers, and when he "ran away" he took the time to turn and threaten (if not fire upon) the police officer closest to him.

But because there's an angry mob out there who just burned a Wendy's to the ground, apparently we have to fire the police officer without actual due process and pretend like he's the victim. Once this all dies down, the police officer is going to sue for wrongful termination, win, and get a cushy cash payment from the city/taxpayers.

(06-14-2020, 11:25 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-rayshard-brooks-death-considered-homicide-shot-twice-in-the-back 

Well they ruled it as a homicide. While the idealist in me would like the cops to have not shot a man that was running away, I can't really fault them for firing on the guy after he was pointing a weapon, even if it was a taser.

(06-14-2020, 11:25 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-rayshard-brooks-death-considered-homicide-shot-twice-in-the-back 

Well they ruled it as a homicide. While the idealist in me would like the cops to have not shot a man that was running away, I can't really fault them for firing on the guy after he was pointing a weapon, even if it was a taser.