(06-23-2020, 10:04 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Yes, he had as you described "some very problematic positions" which leads to just how prevalent this line of thinking was in our history. We all know that. Is the tear down line to be drawn after this statue or the next, or the next or the next. You get my point. Letting what is now a mob rules ideology decide what is to be targeted is a dangerous game to play. And when good people remain silent to avoid being labeled racist it will undoubtedly spiral out of control. We are witnessing that now.

Already seeing headlines that stained glass windows with a white Jesus are racist are the churches next?

Where does it stop & who decides that? These idiots tearing down everything in sight in no way could be entrusted with that decision.

(06-23-2020, 10:37 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: I get that "The statue is not being removed because of it being TR. It is being removed because of the racist, caricature depiction of a an indigenous person and an African American" was your point.

How about my point? Who decides where it stops?

(06-23-2020, 10:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Society. These are society driven decisions. It's the nature of things.

(06-23-2020, 10:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Society. These are society driven decisions. It's the nature of things.

(06-23-2020, 10:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Society. These are society driven decisions. It's the nature of things.

(06-23-2020, 10:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't know.  We've been told that art is supposed to be offensive and controversial.  Like dunking a crucifix in a jar of piss.  

Over a year ago, Ms. Mikisa Thompson was issued a citation by Garner PD for playing "Malcolm X speeches" while she was gardening

The GPD then conducted a night raid on her home and stole her stereo speaker

After a full trial on the merits, today a judge ruled she was Not Guilty https://t.co/Hvb9acIxVk pic.twitter.com/GVt00ixsvT

— T. Greg Doucette (@greg_doucette) June 23, 2020

(06-23-2020, 10:04 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Yes, he had as you described "some very problematic positions" which leads to just how prevalent this line of thinking was in our history. We all know that. Is the tear down line to be drawn after this statue or the next, or the next or the next. You get my point. Letting what is now a mob rules ideology decide what is to be targeted is a dangerous game to play. And when good people remain silent to avoid being labeled racist it will undoubtedly spiral out of control. We are witnessing that now.

Already seeing headlines that stained glass windows with a white Jesus are racist are the churches next?

Where does it stop & who decides that? These idiots tearing down everything in sight in no way could be entrusted with that decision.

(06-22-2020, 11:44 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/teddy-roosevelt-was-a-great-american/

Doesn't matter whether he was a good dude or not. Right now the mob rules apparently.

(06-23-2020, 11:16 AM)GMDino Wrote: Thank goodness this guy didn't ask the off duty officer (who then proceed to assist in the investigation into his own accident) for his personal information...like when is leg day.

(06-23-2020, 10:04 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Already seeing headlines that stained glass windows with a white Jesus are racist are the churches next?

(06-23-2020, 11:08 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Society...I'm having trouble finding people on this board even willing to condemn what is to me totally illogical destruction. When Grant's monument was vandalized one poster on here rationalized it was because there weren't enough monuments to minorities. How about that line of thinking. Tear down heroes because other heroes aren't memorialized.  What that gets you is no heroes. Instead of tearing down be positive, build something that deserves to be built. Perform some act of kindness. Do the right thing. Turn Floyd's tragic death into something good for god's sake. Honor him by building not tearing down.  I'm doing a lot of talking about statues but it's just a analogy. I'll never see most of these statues but it doesn't mean I won't condemn the actions of a mob that can't distinguish right from wrong.

(06-23-2020, 11:58 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Or we could just acknowledge that it was a bad statue and that the reason stated for removing it specifically said that it had nothing to do with TR. 

At some point we can't keep our heads in the sand and dismiss everything as simply "mob rule" when society tries to grow to move beyond its troubling past. 

(06-23-2020, 12:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: If we want to have an actual conversation, we could discuss why we depict Jesus as a white man rather than a Jew from Palestine and the implications of that without resorting to hysterics and over exaggerations. No one will force a church to do anything other than its congregation.

(06-23-2020, 12:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I thought you were supposed to be a gteacher who knew about history.

So tell me when society ever advanced without some sort of rules or laws to control behavior.  How does it usually turn out when one group says they don't need any authorization from anyone to do whatever they want?

What is your guarantee that everyone will agree with every action taken by every mob?

I have no problem with removing offensive statues.  But I have a BIG problem with a group of radical activists making that decision instead of "society".

(06-23-2020, 12:15 PM)Dill Wrote: We can bring Chinese and Ethiopians into the conversation too!