(09-14-2018, 04:50 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Anyone else notice how most of the Trump lovers here are backing off their love of Trump and all the dumb shit and lies that come out of his mouth? The Trumpsters are independent voters all of a sudden and are trying to distance themselves from this P grabber.  

(09-14-2018, 05:05 PM)Dill Wrote: Um, no. I haven't really noticed that. The fact that more Republican "independents" and never-Trumpers are speaking out may create that impression. 

In this forum Trump defenders seem more ready to signal personal disapproval of some of Trump's behavior--while at the same time characterizing it as immaterial to his job performance and not essentially different from what all politicians do. (LOL liberal "hypocrites" are silent about Obama's "lies" while they are all over Trump for siding with Putin over the CIA and denying 3,000 people died in PR.) For them Trump "hate" is still the real driver of the current political chaos.  That's what needs to be "exposed," not the fact and potential consequences of Trump's bad judgment, obvious to every past president of both parties still alive, not to mention the mass of retired generals and CIA/FBI directors.

I don't see that changing anytime soon.

(09-14-2018, 04:50 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Anyone else notice how most of the Trump lovers here are backing off their love of Trump and all the dumb shit and lies that come out of his mouth? The Trumpsters are independent voters all of a sudden and are trying to distance themselves from this P grabber.

(09-14-2018, 08:34 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: So are you saying that Obama had over 4200 (and counting) lies also ? Link?

"That's what needs to be "exposed," not the fact and potential consequences of Trump's bad judgment, obvious to every past president of both parties still alive"
And obvious to anyone with half a brain, no?

(09-14-2018, 05:05 PM)Dill Wrote: Um, no. I haven't really noticed that. The fact that more Republican "independents" and never-Trumpers are speaking out may create that impression. 

In this forum Trump defenders seem more ready to signal personal disapproval of some of Trump's behavior--while at the same time characterizing it as immaterial to his job performance .

True. His behavior is immaterial to his job performance. And?

and not essentially different from what all politicians do.

Not sure about that. Trump is certainly unique.

(LOL liberal "hypocrites" are silent about Obama's "lies" while they are all over Trump for siding with Putin over the CIA and denying 3,000 people died in PR.)

Right... "Bush lied, people died", "Trump's a liar."..but that scumbag between them that you adored so much was infallible.

For them Trump "hate" is still the real driver of the current political chaos. 

Yes it is, what else can it be? You are being very disingenuous when you put hate in quotation marks as if it were not true.

Hate was there before Trump signed a bill, hate was there before he took the oath of office.
The moment he won the election, it began,  a concerted effort to delegitimize his presidency because he had the audacity to win.

I've already explained the fallacious 3000 death rate once.
Trump once again was right.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/13/fact-check-trump-is-right-critics-are-manipulating-puerto-rico-death-toll-estimate-hurricane-maria/

Last month, a new study was produced by George Washington University that estimated the “excess mortality” from Hurricane Maria over a six-month period at 2,975 within a 95% confidence interval of 2,658-3,290 “excess” deaths.
This was the second-highest estimate after the faulty Harvard study, and was based on a statistical model that subtracted the number of people who theoretically should have died over the same period from the number of people who actually died during that time.

(09-15-2018, 12:01 AM)Dill Wrote: Why do you suppose that statement was in parenthesis, while I am talking about Trump supporters?

(09-15-2018, 12:01 AM)Dill Wrote: Why do you suppose that statement was in parenthesis, while I am talking about Trump supporters?

(09-15-2018, 12:45 AM)Vlad Wrote: You're a good guy Dill by taking the time to indulge him.

(09-17-2018, 07:18 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: I thought you were saying Obama lied as much as Trump does. Were those parenthesis with the LOL meant to be sarcastic?

(09-17-2018, 11:31 PM)Dill Wrote: Of course. If you have been following any of my posts you know what I think of Trump. Further, People who excuse the behavior of this malignant narcissist by equating Obama, a decent person and family man and constitutional lawyer, to Trump, do the republic a disservice.

Standards of political discourse necessary for maintenance of democracy are being degraded as people no longer hold politicians accountable to norms of decency, integrity and transparency.

(09-18-2018, 08:05 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are funny!!

Trump Lovers are alive and well thank you very much.

PS Which party did they discover was actually colluding with Russia??? Democrats??? Effing Hypocrites at it again. But of course it will get glossed over.

(09-14-2018, 05:05 PM)Dill Wrote: In this forum Trump defenders seem more ready to signal personal disapproval of some of Trump's behavior--while at the same time characterizing it as immaterial to his job performance and not essentially different from what all politicians do.

(09-19-2018, 03:10 PM)Dill Wrote: Well yes, unfortunately, Trump lovers are alive and well. That is the problem.

And your post illustrates why they are a problem.

No credible source, like the CIA or FBI, has discovered Democrats were colluding with Russia.  That "discovery" is pretty much restricted to Fox commentators and the easily disinformed Trump base. 

Millions of disinformed voters enable a bad president to continue behaving badly. That is bad for the country.

(09-19-2018, 03:42 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, that brings back memories of when Democrats used to say the same thing in defending Bill Clinton's infedilty when he was in the White House. Good times.


(for the record, I'm not saying anything like Bill = Trump or anything that stupid; just pointing out a similarity, tha'ts all)

(09-19-2018, 04:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Really?

No credible source, like the CIA or FBI, has discovered Republicans were colluding with Russia.  That "discovery" is pretty much restricted to MSM commentators and the easily disinformed Democrat base. 

Neither side was "colluding" with Russia.
If Russia did want Trump elected, then they would never have released that "Dossier" to Steele, that would've been the death penalty to who ever did. They knew what the puppet would do, and he played their game like they wanted him to. Same with many of the other players that have been hung out. Phone call here, phone call there to give the appearance.

The Russians played both sides and want us divided, they have succeeded and to many of you are stuck blaming the "other" side for it, because your candidate lost that couldn't apparently beat the worst candidate that's ever run for POTUS.

I like Trump, some things he does? He's on his own, but he's still allowed to have his own personal opinion on things, right or wrong it's his right, just as it is mine to back it or ignore it. 

Posters like yourself are the ones that hope saying it enough times will make it true, but because the MSM has been so openly honest in all things regarding Trump, they are now like the little boy that cried Wolf. No one is listening now even if it's true.

I'll be the first to admit when I see something posted in MSM about Trump that is totally out there, I laugh and don't even think about it again.