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Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 http://crooksandliars.com/2015/09/chris-wallace-dazes-cheney-irans Quote:Fox News host Chris Wallace forced former Vice President Dick Cheney to admit that Iran's centrifuges went from zero to 5,000 under his watch, not President Barack Obama's. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - Rotobeast - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 02:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://crooksandliars.com/2015/09/chris-wallace-dazes-cheney-irans It is always interesting to hear these stories, but far too many people fixate on them to sit and play the blame game. It's not accomplishing much to point fingers. We know the damn problem, let's talk about fixing it. It's what I loathe about politics. :angry: RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 Article came from Faux News. Can't be legitimate. ![]() RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 03:37 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: It is always interesting to hear these stories, but far too many people fixate on them to sit and play the blame game. And I think that is what Obama is trying (and has been trying ) to do. People like Cheney and his ilk want to undermine that at every turn. And when they are called out they turn in to the President blaming them. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: And I think that is what Obama is trying (and has been trying ) to do. Cheney just isn't happy unless he's portraying some country as the next major threat to America that we have to go to war with. Obama isn't trying to do anything, other than hoping to avoid a major international situation in which he might be forced to make a serious decision. I don't personally see Obama as the anti-Christ that a lot of liberal haters think he is. I personally think he's just lazy. I think he enjoys the office but doesn't really enjoy the job, if you catch my drift. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:29 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Cheney just isn't happy unless he's portraying some country as the next major threat to America that we have to go to war with. That's called diplomacy. Something we had bee seriously lacking in the previous administration. As to being "lazy" it seems he's done more to work towards solving or easing these problems that those hard workers from the Bush admin. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: That's called diplomacy. I'm not sure I'd agree that it's diplomacy. Laziness isn't much of a foreign policy, but whatever. Exactly what problems internationally have gotten better under his watch? RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:37 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I'm not sure I'd agree that it's diplomacy. Laziness isn't much of a foreign policy, but whatever. What DO you call diplomacy if its not meeting with the other side and reaching an agreement without going to war? How is he "lazy" by NOT starting other wars? Well, so far Bin Laden is dead and they have a deal with Iran. That's more than the last admin. And NO ONE will ever have peace in the middle east during their time. The great Russian scare passed after the right insisted Putin was going to tear into our pacifist CAC. Anything else? RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: What DO you call diplomacy if its not meeting with the other side and reaching an agreement without going to war? Drawing red lines in the sand and backing down isn't diplomacy. It's stupid. Bin Laden is dead due to interrogation techniques that Obama and many liberals cried about. They have a garbage deal with Iran, that many in your party don't even like. That's like having a guy friend with a fat psycho girlfriend saying "at least I have a girl." RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:46 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Drawing red lines in the sand and backing down isn't diplomacy. It's stupid. 1) Who backed down? 2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/harsh-interrogation-techniques-detailed-in-report/2014/12/09/dd3173c4-7fd0-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html Quote:The killing of Osama bin Laden in May 2011 was hailed by current and former CIA officials as the crowning justification for the use of harsh interrogation tactics. High-value detainees, when subjected to those methods, provided intelligence that the officials said helped lead the spy agency to a mysterious courier and, ultimately, to the terrorist leader himself. 3) They have a deal. One that will help. Its a far better deal than going to war...again. So, again, its called diplomacy. And has the story in the first post says its going help clean up another mess left to this admin. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - Rotobeast - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: What DO you call diplomacy if its not meeting with the other side and reaching an agreement without going to war? Reminds me of an interesting conspiracy theory.... It suggested that Bin Laden was killed a long time ago and Bush never divulged it, as to have an excuse to run operations into other countries. It concludes Obama jumped at the opportunity to stage the death and garner popularity. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:58 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Reminds me of an interesting conspiracy theory.... Ha! Never heard that one! RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: 1) Who backed down? 1) Obama drew a red line in the sand. It was crossed. He did nothing. 2) You can believe whatever fairy tales you want. 3) What is good about the deal, in your opinion? RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - fredtoast - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 08:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: 2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/harsh-interrogation-techniques-detailed-in-report/2014/12/09/dd3173c4-7fd0-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html Clearly this information has not entered the echo chamber yet. And apparently US forces should be dying in Syria, the Ukraine, and Iran instead of messing with all that lazy "diplomacy" stuff. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - fredtoast - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 09:37 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: 2) You can believe whatever fairy tales you want. Link the source of your information on how the info was obtained. You really need to learn that it takes info to win a debate. Not grade school insults. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - fredtoast - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 09:37 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: 3) What is good about the deal, in your opinion? It prevents Iran from developing nuclear weapons. What is bad about it in your opinion. And let me warn you that I know the details of the deal very well. So I will not be impressed with something like "It is stupid and does nothing." RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 09:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Link the source of your information on how the info was obtained. The best I could find was nearly two months of "serious interrogation, often for periods of 48 hours or longer". I guess that means that they asked "pretty please". RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - jakefromstatefarm - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 09:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It prevents Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Oh no....fred knows the details "very well". 1) 24 waiting period on inspections 2) Sanctions gone 3) Kerry told lawmakers that negotiators said there was no better deal available, and since 2003 Iran has not pursued a nuclear bomb. If that's true, what do we need a deal for in the first place? 4) Anything Iran is "giving up" as a part of this deal is offset by the economic gain they will get because of the removal of sanctions. 5) The White House is "comfortable" that Iran will self-inspect and deliver honest reports. RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GMDino - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 09:37 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: 1) Obama drew a red line in the sand. It was crossed. He did nothing. 1) And how did that work out for Putin? 2) Its a report from the CIA...the ones gathering the info. The link to the report is in the story. Educate yourself. 3) We didn't bomb another country and go to war but rather negotiate a deal that is better than no deal and also better than just calling them names and pushing to invade. ![]() RE: Wallace to Cheney: Iran's Centrifuges 'Went From 0 To 5,000' While You Were VP - GodHatesBengals - 09-06-2015 (09-06-2015, 10:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: 1) And how did that work out for Putin? Of course he'd like a war. Jake may be protective of his income, but he is very generous with other people's sons, husbands and fathers. |