(12-18-2018, 06:25 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: FTR, i wasn't bashing Dalton. I was adding to a list that was posted. 

(12-18-2018, 08:21 PM)Wyche Wrote: I know....I was just adding to how this team chokes as a unit under the brightest lights. It's maddening.  Your opinions are consistent, based on objective stats and sound reasoning. We typically agree, but not always. That said, I have a great deal of respect for what you put down.

(12-18-2018, 06:18 PM)Fullrock Wrote: He did nothing of note, except help lead Florida to an 11-2 record and Sugar Bowl appearance in 2012. Admittedly, he didn't appear to be the same guy when he came back from the broken leg he suffered early in 2013.

But let's not confuse playing against SEC defenses with playing against PAC-12 defenses. That's a night and day difference.  Goff certainly put up prolific numbers on a bad CAL team where he had to throw the ball a ton with them trailing frequently in games. 

(12-18-2018, 08:18 PM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: I'm all for supporting Driskel. Mainly because I want to win. The kid hasn't looked good. I had no idea about his college career and that, along with his three years of no play time, draft position and change in college, further cements the fact that he is just a career back up.

Driskel was fourth on the depth chart with the team he was drafted with too, by the way.

50 TDs 28 INTS in 42 games isn't impressive at the college level.

(12-18-2018, 12:38 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Did he throw those balls to himself? 

(12-19-2018, 11:41 AM)muskiesfan Wrote: I'm a Dalton fan. I'm also to the point of being ready to move on from him. Part of it is because I'd like to see him succeed and not be stuck somewhere that doesn't appreciate him. I'd like to see him go win a playoff game and it's just not going to happen here with Marvin and Mike.

The Pistons always quotes me and says the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team. I agree with him. I get that. Bengals fans take it to a whole other level though. Dalton has been the best QB on the team since he was drafted. Dalton is a big part of the reason the team was respectable and even mentioned as being contenders a couple of seasons. However, the fans have always wanted the backup QB to start over him. They booed him at a celebrity softball game in front of a national audience, hung signs at training camp about how they wanted McCarron to start, and we had the thread with people talking about how they were happy he got hurt this season. It's utterly ridiculous.

Cincinnati doesn't deserve the guy. He's a good QB. He's an even better person who does a TON for the city and community. Fans reward him by shitting on him all the time. Hell, people are doing mental gymnastics to make the argument that Driskel should be the starting QB going forward because he's not Andy Dalton. That all it takes to be loved by half the fan base. Simply don't be Andy Dalton.

So whomever the next starting QB is after Dalton (whenever that may be) will have a honeymoon period. Throwing for 130 yards will be enough to appease the fan base for awhile because he simply won't be Andy Dalton. That's honestly just sad to me.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve criticism or doesn't make mistakes. I'm just saying he deserves much better than half his fan base.

(12-18-2018, 06:25 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: FTR, i wasn't bashing Dalton. I was adding to a list that was posted. 

(12-19-2018, 12:31 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Driskel could be starting by 2020 when the XFL opens.... I can't see any teams lining up to give him that opportunity in the nfl.

(12-19-2018, 12:48 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Again, let me say it for the people in the back who have a hard time understanding. Do I think Driskel gives this team the best chance to win the most games next year? No. Do I think his physical tools warrant a chance to see what he might be able to develop into? Yes. This team IS NOT GOING TO WIN NEXT YEAR regardless of who is under center. Driskel is an unknown, and anyone who says otherwise after the kid has made 3 starts is delusional.

I do not want to see another year of average Andy. We know what he is after 8 years. The fact that he's a good guy has nothing to do with anything. The ONLY thing players are measured by is performance. With Dalton this is likely a 6-win team next year. Without him maybe they win 4 games, maybe they win a few more. What's the difference?

I would also be extremely hesitant to pay the price of a 1st round QB and then put him behind this offensive line. That's a recipe for disaster making that kind of investment in a QB and putting him in that situation. More reason to let Driskel play if you move on from Dalton. At least with Drisel's athleticism, they can design an offense to make use of his mobility and running ability to try to keep defenses honest.

(12-19-2018, 12:48 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Again, let me say it for the people in the back who have a hard time understanding. Do I think Driskel gives this team the best chance to win the most games next year? No. Do I think his physical tools warrant a chance to see what he might be able to develop into? Yes. This team IS NOT GOING TO WIN NEXT YEAR regardless of who is under center. Driskel is an unknown, and anyone who says otherwise after the kid has made 3 starts is delusional.

I do not want to see another year of average Andy. We know what he is after 8 years. The fact that he's a good guy has nothing to do with anything. The ONLY thing players are measured by is performance. With Dalton this is likely a 6-win team next year. Without him maybe they win 4 games, maybe they win a few more. What's the difference?

I would also be extremely hesitant to pay the price of a 1st round QB and then put him behind this offensive line. That's a recipe for disaster making that kind of investment in a QB and putting him in that situation. More reason to let Driskel play if you move on from Dalton. At least with Drisel's athleticism, they can design an offense to make use of his mobility and running ability to try to keep defenses honest.

(12-19-2018, 01:06 PM)Au165 Wrote: He isn't an unknown, he is playing exactly to his scouting report. Three years in his accuracy hasn't gotten any better and that doesn't take live game reps to fix. Normally live game reps help with reading defenses and decision making, but accuracy you either have or you don't. It is pretty commonly held that if you come into the league inaccurate you won't make huge strides to fix it unless it's a slight mechanics issue. That was never the case with Driskel it has been that he simply doesn't have the accuracy. Everyone wants Tom Brady, but the reality is the number of even average QB's in the league after the 3rd or 4th round is minimal because normally that is where a lot of the guys with accuracy issues end up....like Driskel. 

You aren't going to take a year and build an offense around a 3rd year player who was a 6th round pick because he can run a little. Guys like him really are a dime a dozen and there are more of them in this class this year. Shea Patterson out of Michigan is basically Jeff Driskel if he comes out in the draft this year. Being enamored with running QB's is nothing new but time has shown they simply don't last when they run as a read versus out of need, so the idea we tailor some sort of offense that has him running is a short sighted approach to the teams future. 

So again, "all of us in the back" hear you we just don't think he is anymore than a back up. I'd send a 4th out to San Fran for Mullens, their third string QB, who has played far better before I'd start Driskel next season.

(12-19-2018, 12:48 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Again, let me say it for the people in the back who have a hard time understanding. Do I think Driskel gives this team the best chance to win the most games next year? No. Do I think his physical tools warrant a chance to see what he might be able to develop into? Yes. This team IS NOT GOING TO WIN NEXT YEAR regardless of who is under center. Driskel is an unknown, and anyone who says otherwise after the kid has made 3 starts is delusional.

I do not want to see another year of average Andy. We know what he is after 8 years. The fact that he's a good guy has nothing to do with anything. The ONLY thing players are measured by is performance. With Dalton this is likely a 6-win team next year. Without him maybe they win 4 games, maybe they win a few more. What's the difference?

I would also be extremely hesitant to pay the price of a 1st round QB and then put him behind this offensive line. That's a recipe for disaster making that kind of investment in a QB and putting him in that situation. More reason to let Driskel play if you move on from Dalton. At least with Drisel's athleticism, they can design an offense to make use of his mobility and running ability to try to keep defenses honest.

(12-19-2018, 12:48 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Again, let me say it for the people in the back who have a hard time understanding. Do I think Driskel gives this team the best chance to win the most games next year? No. Do I think his physical tools warrant a chance to see what he might be able to develop into? Yes. This team IS NOT GOING TO WIN NEXT YEAR regardless of who is under center. Driskel is an unknown, and anyone who says otherwise after the kid has made 3 starts is delusional.

I do not want to see another year of average Andy. We know what he is after 8 years. The fact that he's a good guy has nothing to do with anything. The ONLY thing players are measured by is performance. With Dalton this is likely a 6-win team next year. Without him maybe they win 4 games, maybe they win a few more. What's the difference?

I would also be extremely hesitant to pay the price of a 1st round QB and then put him behind this offensive line. That's a recipe for disaster making that kind of investment in a QB and putting him in that situation. More reason to let Driskel play if you move on from Dalton. At least with Drisel's athleticism, they can design an offense to make use of his mobility and running ability to try to keep defenses honest.

(12-19-2018, 12:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Not unless he plays A LOT better in these last couple games.