Quote:Despite the peer-reviewed studies and research backing her claims, Dr. Condic is vilified by abortion activists for being “unscientific.” Leah Torres, a Salt Lake City abortionist best known for her inflammatory tweets told the Tribune, “She is willfully ignorant or not up-to-date,” this despite the fact that Dr. Condic is on the cutting-edge of research into prenatal neural development.

Dr. Condic explained to the Tribune, “The neural circuitry underlying the most basic response to pain is in place by eight weeks. It is entirely uncontested in the scientific and medical literature that a fetus experiences pain in some capacity from as early as eight weeks.” This information has been found through scientific study, not, as abortion activists falsely claim, through Pro-Life activists manipulating data. Eller called Condic’s work “a coercion of science to forward a political agenda,” but the error seems rather to be on the part of abortion activists who refuse to acknowledge scientific evidence that calls into question the ethics and legal status of elective abortion.

Dr. Condic clarified to the Tribune, “I’m not reporting bad science. I’m reporting an interpretation of science that’s open to discussion.” At the heart of Dr. Condic’s interpretation is the basic theory of human rights that demands that we err on the side of Life. In no other circumstance would people assume that a person can be ripped limb from limb while her heart is still beating simply because we cannot get a first-hand account of the type of pain she is experiencing.

(12-18-2018, 09:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks, when only roughly 1% of abortions occur.

Nope, doesn't change my mind at all.

Quote:"The neural circuitry underlying the most basic response to pain is in place by eight weeks."

(12-18-2018, 10:01 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Did you not even look at the site, much-less read what I quoted?

So does that change your mind?

(12-18-2018, 09:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks, when only roughly 1% of abortions occur.

Nope, doesn't change my mind at all.

(12-18-2018, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What day of the 20th week do they begin to feel pain?

(12-18-2018, 10:03 PM)Au165 Wrote: This thread has all the makings of a classic.

(12-19-2018, 02:34 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Meanwhile at the child prison camps... Its either the color of their skin or nationality, but it makes them not feel pain and impervious to trauma. Waiting for a pro life scientist to finish the study.

(12-19-2018, 12:06 PM)jj22 Wrote: People will face their own consequences for the decision they make. We as people need to worry about the decisions we make. Even slaves would chew poisonous roots to abort babies when raped by their masters. People will find a way no matter what the law states.

Too many people try to tell others how to live their life (even as they get caught pursuing under-aged kids, paying for mistresses abortions, cheating on wives etc).

God's true gift to us was free will. Republicans need to stop spending their time trying to take that away. Or at the very least don't force these women to have babies, and then turn their back on them and cut programs that will help them take care of those kids. Poor/hungry kids feel excruciating pain as well. They don't care about that.

Pro life when the women is pregnant. Pro Choice when the women asks for help (it was your choice to get pregnant).

(12-19-2018, 04:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: But if you think the life growing inside is also a life, you aren't against abortion because you are trying to tell others how to live their lives.  Too many times it's framed (because it works) as men trying to control women, when it really is about trying to protect the baby.  I'd rather people argue about whether it's a life and does that life's rights supersede the mother's than the laziness of just saying it's men wanting to control women.  Just like pro-choice people shouldn't be written off as people who   like butchering babies.  

(12-19-2018, 04:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: But if you think the life growing inside is also a life, you aren't against abortion because you are trying to tell others how to live their lives.  Too many times it's framed (because it works) as men trying to control women, when it really is about trying to protect the baby.  I'd rather people argue about whether it's a life and does that life's rights supersede the mother's than the laziness of just saying it's men wanting to control women.  Just like pro-choice people shouldn't be written off as people who   like butchering babies.