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Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - GMDino - 01-07-2019 https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2019/01/07/cyntoia-brown-clemency-case-facts-story-bill-haslam/2267025002/?fbclid=IwAR3Dkp2vjOXzI5FUKNRTeBU_mqKMoXxeNRbc9OfOjC30h2hJvMythBHO23E Quote:Gov. Bill Haslam ordered an early release for Cyntoia Brown, a Tennessee woman and alleged sex trafficking victim serving a life sentence in prison for killing a man when she was 16. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - BmorePat87 - 01-07-2019 The whole narrative of this story has been BS. While she very much may have been a victim of trafficking, she arranged to sleep with the victim and murdered him in cold blood as he slept before robbing him. After stealing his car, she returned to her pimp with the dead guy's money and property with the intent of pawning it. But claiming she was a slave who killed the person who bought her is a better narrative. Sex trafficking is absolutely a problem, but she is a poor poster child for it. I hope she does good with her freedom. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - fredtoast - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 02:40 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The whole narrative of this story has been BS. While she very much may have been a victim of trafficking, she arranged to sleep with the victim and murdered him in cold blood as he slept before robbing him. After stealing his car, she returned to her pimp with the dead guy's money and property with the intent of pawning it. Her story was BS. That is why did not deserve a pardon. But since she was only 16 at the time i agree with giving her this chance instead 51 years in prison. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - michaelsean - 01-07-2019 There was an actual victim in this, and I hope all the loud mouth celebrities realize that. That being said, taking everything in total I think the original sentence was probably high. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - BmorePat87 - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 03:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Her story was BS. That is why did not deserve a pardon. But since she was only 16 at the time i agree with giving her this chance instead 51 years in prison. (01-07-2019, 04:01 PM)michaelsean Wrote: There was an actual victim in this, and I hope all the loud mouth celebrities realize that. That being said, taking everything in total I think the original sentence was probably high. I agree with the idea that the 51 year sentence before parole for a 16 year old was high. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-07-2019 Meanwhile the victim is still dead, maybe Haslam can bring him back to life? As has been stated before me in this thread, the entire media driven narrative of this case was based on lies and misinformation. What kind of country do we live in that we vilify the police and advocate for murderers? Good to see this news cheers up the usual suspects though. I wonder if they'd feel any differently if it was their father, brother or son who had been murdered by this woman? RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - GMDino - 01-07-2019 I'm just happy that this woman doesn't have her entire life thrown away ver her horrible choices and her awful start. I believe this is how the legal system works. I also have experienced this on a personal level. Not my child, but a relative who was killed. It was an accident (allegedly) and I knew the killer too. He's related to my wife. Good kid with a bad start and not much of a chance. In prison he got his GED and learned a work skill. He's out on probation now and has a chance to be a better person. That doesn't take away the pain from the family of the person killed...but keeping him in jail forever would not also. Sometimes we have to look at the individual circumstances and see if, as a society, we can try and make it better despite our innate desire to punish completely. Maybe that's just me...but I see others who agree that the initial sentencing was too harsh for other reasons too. So maybe it's not just me. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 05:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm just happy that this woman doesn't have her entire life thrown away ver her horrible choices and her awful start. Actually, no, that's not how the legal system works. Crimes have proscribed punishments. First degree murder coupled with robbery comes with the highest possible punishments. Quote:I also have experienced this on a personal level. Not my child, but a relative who was killed. It was an accident (allegedly) and I knew the killer too. He's related to my wife. So not murdered in cold blood but killed in an accident. While I sympathize with your loss those are not remotely the same thing. Quote:Good kid with a bad start and not much of a chance. So not first degree murder and he's out on parole now (not probation) after improving himself while detained. Now that's how the criminal justice system is supposed to work. Quote:That doesn't take away the pain from the family of the person killed...but keeping him in jail forever would not also. I completely agree. But he also didn't commit first degree murder and robbery. Quote:Sometimes we have to look at the individual circumstances and see if, as a society, we can try and make it better despite our innate desire to punish completely. By sometimes do you mean when you become a cause celeb and people spread deliberate falsehoods about your crime? Quote:Maybe that's just me...but I see others who agree that the initial sentencing was too harsh for other reasons too. So maybe it's not just me. Too harsh? maybe. You also don't see a single other person agreeing with you on outright clemency. You want to commute her sentence to twenty-five or thirty years, I think most people could live/agree with that. Serving fourteen years for first degree murder coupled with robbery is obscene. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - GMDino - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 05:19 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Actually, no, that's not how the legal system works. Crimes have proscribed punishments. First degree murder coupled with robbery comes with the highest possible punishments. I'm not shocked we disagree...lol. My your god bless you. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 05:23 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm not shocked we disagree...lol. Everyone in this thread disagrees with you, so I can see why it wouldn't be shocking. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - fredtoast - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 04:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Meanwhile the victim is still dead, maybe Haslam can bring him back to life? Does giving a 16 year old a 51 year prison term with no parole bring back the dead? I agree that her story was BS, but the sentence was too severe for a 16 year old. And it would not have made any difference if the victim was someon in my family. Don't know why you are so sympathetic for a dirty old criminal who got killed breaking the law. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - bfine32 - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 09:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Does giving a 16 year old a 51 year prison term with no parole bring back the dead? What would have been a proper sentence? RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 09:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Does giving a 16 year old a 51 year prison term with no parole bring back the dead? Nope, but it does adequately punish the murderer. Quote:I agree that her story was BS, but the sentence was too severe for a 16 year old. And it would not have made any difference if the victim was someon in my family. Don't know why you are so sympathetic for a dirty old criminal who got killed breaking the law. I think if you read my posts in this thread I stated that a reduction in sentence would not have been out of order, but fourteen years for 1st degree murder and robbery is obscene. I'm not sympathetic to the victim's procuring a prostitute in violation of the law. I am sympathetic to his being murdered in his sleep and then having his possessions stolen. Unless you're advocating that his crime warranted a death sentence. Oddly enough, you've agreed with me on this case in the past, I guess you just couldn't resist being contrary where I am concerned. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - fredtoast - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 09:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What would have been a proper sentence? (01-07-2019, 09:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: but fourteen years for 1st degree murder and robbery is obscene. Juvenile justice system is totally different from the adult criminal justice system. Juvenile justice system is supposed to be based on counselling and helping juveniles fix their problems. So I would be in favor of a sentence that allows the jof uvenile to be released when a psychologist says she is able to function in society. And that release would be to supervision (probation or parole) with continuing obligations counselling and controlling behavior. How long do you guys think a 16 year old should be locked up for these charges? RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - bfine32 - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 10:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1. Juvenile justice system is totally different from the adult criminal justice system. Juvenile justice system is supposed to be based on counselling and helping juveniles fix their problems. So I would be in favor of a sentence that allows the juvenile to be released when a psychologist says she is able to function in society. 1. Hell they could have gotten a psychologist to say that before she ever went to Prison. 2. As long as a duly appointed jury/judge sentences; unless there is proof to prove innocence after the fact. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - fredtoast - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 2. As long as a duly appointed jury/judge sentences; unless there is proof to prove innocence after the fact. And you accuse me of refusing to answer your questions. If you were drafting legislation what do you think an appropriate length of sentence would be for this crime committed by a 16 year old? RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - fredtoast - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. Hell they could have gotten a psychologist to say that before she ever went to Prison. You would not say that if you had any oidea how the Juvenile Justice system works here. 99% of the juveniles locked up in Tennessee are on inderterminate sentences. How could that be possible if everyone can get a psychologist to say they don't have to be locked up? RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - bfine32 - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 10:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And you accuse me of refusing to answer your questions. How the hell did I dodge the question? I said as long as they were sentenced; as I don't get to hear the details of every case. Not sure how much more declarative I could be. Maximum death/ minimum probation. Let the courts decide the in between. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 10:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Juvenile justice system is totally different from the adult criminal justice system. Juvenile justice system is supposed to be based on counselling and helping juveniles fix their problems. Very true and I'm well aware of this. However, she was tried as an adult hence your points are irrelevant. But then, you knew that was the case or she wouldn't be in state prison. Quote: So I would be in favor of a sentence that allows the jof uvenile to be released when a psychologist says she is able to function in society. And that release would be to supervision (probation or parole) with continuing obligations counselling and controlling behavior. In-determinant sentencing is not legal. I would think you'd be aware of this. Quote:How long do you guys think a 16 year old should be locked up for these charges? I've already stated that 25-30 before consideration for parole would be acceptable to me. RE: Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-07-2019 (01-07-2019, 10:32 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You would not say that if you had any oidea how the Juvenile Justice system works here. I was not aware of this. Indeterminate sentencing is not a thing here in CA. Ignore my point in the previous post. |