(11-10-2019, 09:13 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: To draft burrow over tua would be the most bengal thing ever.

(11-10-2019, 10:42 AM)Fullrock Wrote: Were you under a rock from 3:30-7:00 yesterday?

(11-10-2019, 11:16 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: Lol this is exactly what im talking about.  You should be a bengals scout so we can get some more drew samples and germaine pratts.  If you ever base a draft profile on 1 game you have no clue what you are talking about.  Tua threw for over 400 4 td 1 int and had several perfect passes dropped and some idiots act like he was terrible.  He did this basically on 1 leg.  He came back in 20 days after ankle surgery.  Aj green is going on 15 weeks out on a similar injury.  Tua is a warrior.  

If you did watch the game as you infer you should have seen that the situation was much more favorable for burrow yesterday.  He made some really good throws but many of lsu big plays were by the rb or on easy throws to wide open wrs.   He had basically no prssure on him the entire first half while tua was being pressured on almost every drop back.  In the 2nd half burrow got more pressure and tua got more time and tua had the better 2nd half.

Burrow looks like a decent prospect but hes no tua.  Tua looks like a left handed pat mahomes.  Burrow looks like a better version of andy dalton.  I know which one I would want.

(11-10-2019, 11:51 AM)Synric Wrote: You say that and then use one game to tell why you would draft Tua over Burrow. 


Both QBs had great games yesterday although in different ways. Tua made some great throws off play action and from a clean pocket,  but Burrow handled the Alabama Pressure like it was nothing getting yards with his feet, escaping fiding his outlet receiver taking what he can get, and standing strong in the pocket pushing the ball to the second level while taking big hits.

Also...Alabama RB Najee Harris had as good if not better game than LSU RB Clyde Edward-Helaire.

(11-10-2019, 12:02 PM)mikey6866 Wrote: Huh? I didnt say yesterday is why we should draft tua.  I merely defended his performance from yesterday as it was not a bad performance.  Many are acting like yesterday showed why burrow was better prospect.  Watching the game I saw more elite traits in tua as I do almost every time he touches the field.  Ive watched every single snap of burrow and tua.  My opinions are based off what I have seen over the last 2 years not 1 game as you somehow are suggesting.

(11-10-2019, 12:02 PM)mikey6866 Wrote: Huh? I didnt say yesterday is why we should draft tua.  I merely defended his performance from yesterday as it was not a bad performance.  Many are acting like yesterday showed why burrow was better prospect.  Watching the game I saw more elite traits in tua as I do almost every time he touches the field.  Ive watched every single snap of burrow and tua.  My opinions are based off what I have seen over the last 2 years not 1 game as you somehow are suggesting.

(11-10-2019, 11:19 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: My line of thinking right now, if Burrow is there when we draft you run to the podium. If he's gone then you run and take Chase Young. If both are gone you take the best Olineman there is.

(11-10-2019, 12:28 PM)Daddy-O Wrote: Going to the game today and can honestly say it's the first time I really don't want to bring home a winner!

Didn't know much about Joe Burrow prior to yesterday's game against Bama, thought he was just another pocket passer.  This guy is the real deal, size, good arm, able to move in the pocket, able to scramble.

I'm sold.  Hoping for 0-16!

(11-10-2019, 11:16 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: Lol this is exactly what im talking about.  You should be a bengals scout so we can get some more drew samples and germaine pratts.  If you ever base a draft profile on 1 game you have no clue what you are talking about.  Tua threw for over 400 4 td 1 int and had several perfect passes dropped and some idiots act like he was terrible.  He did this basically on 1 leg.  He came back in 20 days after ankle surgery.  Aj green is going on 15 weeks out on a similar injury.  Tua is a warrior.  

If you did watch the game as you infer you should have seen that the situation was much more favorable for burrow yesterday.  He made some really good throws but many of lsu big plays were by the rb or on easy throws to wide open wrs.   He had basically no prssure on him the entire first half while tua was being pressured on almost every drop back.  In the 2nd half burrow got more pressure and tua got more time and tua had the better 2nd half.

Burrow looks like a decent prospect but hes no tua.  Tua looks like a left handed pat mahomes.  Burrow looks like a better version of andy dalton.  I know which one I would want.

(11-10-2019, 01:00 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: They both have just the right amount of "negatives" to make you pause. I liked what i saw of Burrow's mobility yesterday but Tua is more athletic that way when completely healthy. I like Burrow's accuracy but it's mostly short to intermediate throws to WRs who do get open a lot (though he did fit some throws in tight windows yesterday--and he's done it throughout the year), but Tua is deadly accurate on intermediate to deep throws. Burrow is closer to the prototypical pocket passer but that's going by the wayside in recent years...

I like both guys but i just can't look at them and say i definitely want one over the other. This is turning into the perfect storm with these two and a couple other guys, where there's no clear cut leader of the pack. I know Burrow is tearing it up this year but the "one year wonder" tag does at least fit a little here and Tua has done it longer.

By perfect storm i mean, the Bengals are going to pick the guy that ends up being the lesser of all the options, while at least one of the other guys are going to be very successful in the NFL. It's just the way things work for the Bengals because the people doing the picking are bad at their jobs.

(11-10-2019, 12:07 PM)Synric Wrote: Then you know that Burrow is the best downfield passer in college football and yesterday he looked amazing under constant pressure from the Alabama Defense.


I couldnt tell you which is better but Tua isn't having the same season as Joe Burrow but he did have alot better season in 2018.

(11-10-2019, 01:04 PM)mikey6866 Wrote: Tua is far and away the best downfield thrower in the draft.  Thats where he really stands out with his elite arm talent.  We can revive the thread in 3 years and see who was right and who was wrong.  All I will say is if we take burrow over tua it is a huge mistake.  Tua is going to be an elite nfl qb.

Quote: CINCINNATI BENGALS QB JOE BURROW, LSU

Burrow has sustained elite play every game for half a season. He’s torched one of the best secondaries in college football. He’s got a stronger arm and quicker release that Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa. We’ve never seen a quarterback with a higher passing grade through the first seven weeks of the season. He may not be at the top of boards right now, but he’s shooting his way up there.

Quote:Adjusted Completion Percentage:
Burrow: 83.9% (2nd)
Tagovailoa: 79.6% (5th)

Deep Passing Passer Rating:
Burrow: 134.2 (4th)
Tagovailoa: 127.1 (10th)

Under Pressure Passer Rating:
Burrow: 151.6 (1st)
Tagovailoa: 100.8 (13th)

Kept Clean Passer Rating:
Tagovailoa: 154.4 (1st)
Burrow: 138.5 (5th)

Non-Play-Action Passer Rating:
Tagovailoa: 137.6 (1st)
Burrow: 136.0 (2nd)

Play-Action Passer Rating:
Tagovailoa: 153.0 (1st)
Burrow: 148.7 (3rd)

Quick Pass (<2.5 seconds) Passer Rating:
Tagovailoa: 151.6 (2nd)
Burrow: 132.5 (5th)

Long Pass (>2.6 seconds) Passer Rating:
Burrow: 143.0 (1st)
Tagovailoa: 134.3 (4th)

(11-10-2019, 12:16 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Tua's fumble on the first drive didn't look too elite.  He looked as though he let his nerves get the best of him.  Between the height difference, injury problems that may become chronic, and composure factor, I'd have to say that Burrow has pulled ahead as a prospect.  There's a lot to like about both of them for sure.