(08-23-2019, 04:44 PM)jj22 Wrote: It's all about the approach. Yes, I'd approach coaching like I do life experiences. All good coaches pull from experience. Personal or otherwise. No shame here.

You only have to quit on the team once.

I'll rather lose with players who want to be here, then have star players on the team threaten to quit every time I turn around.

(08-23-2019, 04:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm sorry, but I've been getting frustrated by you because I don't think you notice or understand that the words you use have a different interpretation than maybe the way you are intending. 

Case in point - The fact you don't understand or notice that begging has a different connotation than talking to someone is concerning to me. 

Do you not care if your comments are misinterpreted?

(08-23-2019, 06:18 PM)jj22 Wrote: Not really.

I said begged and meant begged. I always say what I mean. Now you have the right to disagree, but I meant what I said.

(08-23-2019, 04:41 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You said "begged him back."
Talking to someone and "begging them back" or even "talking them into returning" are different things.

(08-23-2019, 06:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We know exactly what you meant.  

We were just pointing out that you made it up, and there is nothing to support your claim.

(08-23-2019, 06:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you call making three straight posts "moving on".

It is becoming very clear why all those ex-girlfriends ran out on you.

(08-23-2019, 05:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I can completely understand the analogy of using communication in relationships to team/player relations.  Being in a relationship is being part of a team.  Teams have a goal of winning, while couples in relationships have a goal of happiness.  it's really not at all "out in Left field" to use that sort of analogy.

(08-23-2019, 06:26 PM)jj22 Wrote: Except for the fact all it took was a call for Westerman to suddenly be out of retirement.

Sounds like a fit to me.

(08-23-2019, 06:28 PM)jj22 Wrote: What I won't do is delete post after striking out looking.

(08-23-2019, 06:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And again you are just making stuff up out of thin air.

Taylor spoke to Westerman over last weekend.  Westerman did not return until Wednesday.

You have no clue what is going on.

(08-21-2019, 06:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Over the past few days, we have all speculated and hypothesized on various scenarios for reasons that Westerman might contemplate retirement. Most of those scenarios were kind to Westerman, with the assumption that something must be happening with his family, he must be going through some sort of mental issues, etc. Many people speculated many "made up" situations, people discussed and debated.

Now, one fan suggests that perhaps it was a stunt, or that Westerman is just soft, and everybody attacks? Where did the friendly debate and hospitable discussion go? It was just another fan giving his take on the matter. No need to get a vigilante mob together, as if he stole AJ Green's car, with his kids inside..

Relax everyone, just be patient, hope for the best, despite the crappy season that appears to be imminent..

(08-23-2019, 06:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: And, neither do you..   My point is, none of knows exactly what transpired, the information released by the team is very limited.  We all use our imaginations to create our own scenario of what might have went down.  Just because you don't like one fan's interpretation of the situation, does not mean that his take on it is any lessor or greater than any one else's.

There is absolutely no need to initiate, and then perpetuate, dialogue with a member that you obviously do not agree with, for the purpose of making him appear "wrong" for having his own opinion.  

And, that message goes for all of us.  Let's be real for a moment, it's going to be a rough season for Bengal fans.  There's absolutely no need for fans of the same team to start turning on one another.  Personally, I expect the team to get off to a disappointing start, and then begin building and growing, as the season rolls along.  By the end of the season, this entire "Westerman considering retirement" saga will be but just a blip on all of our memory banks..

(08-22-2019, 01:29 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: ...and an intense offensive line coach...

And I could see wanting to step away for 5 days.

(08-23-2019, 06:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: A romantic relationship involves two equals negotiating rules of engagement.  Neither holds more power than the other, and that is the basis for most disagreements.

That is nothing like the relationship between a coach and player or any boss and his employee.  In these situations one side holds much more power.  It is a totally different dynamic with different set of rules.

(08-23-2019, 07:07 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I do not understand why this thread has become toxic.  I started this thread because Westerman had promise when drafted.  I never understood what was holding him back.  He was considered a "steal"  in the 5th round and compared to Alex Mack...
For those that do not remember, here is his draft profile

OVERVIEW
Westerman was a top national recruit who attended Auburn for his first two years, losing most of his redshirt freshman season due to injury before deciding to return to his home state of Arizona to finish his career. He excelled last fall in his first season as a starter for the Sun Devils, earning honorable mention All-Pac-12 notice for his stout play and mobility at left guard. Westerman's play his senior campaign did not disappoint, as his attitude, stoutness, mobility, and solid technique made him a second-team all-conference performer.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Outstanding athleticism and movement skills. Is quick off the snap and able to beat defenders to the spot. Can get to difficult cross­-face blocks using timing, technique and footwork. At his best when on the move. When pulling or climbing to second level, has a terrific connect rate against moving targets in space. True technician. Plays with desired balance and base and his feet rarely stop chopping and working after contact. Approaches target with bend and rolls hips up under him after contact. Has massive bear paws for hands and is a weight ­room freak daddy. Has hand placement and upper body strength to lockout pass rushers if he gets extension first. Father was a three-year starter at guard for Arizona State. Should test off the charts at the combine.
WEAKNESSES While he moves stacks of weights with ease, his play strength doesn't always match that when matched up against interior power players. Short yardage push will not be an NFL strength. May need more mass on his frame to handle NFL defensive tackles. When asked to base block, becomes more of a stalemate blocker than block­-winner. Could use a more authoritative punch in pass protection. I question whether he can effectively re­direct interior pass rushers once they get into the edge on him.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 2 or 3
NFL COMPARISON Alex Mack
BOTTOM LINE Quick-­twitch, athletic guard who comes from a football family and has been working on his strength and athleticism from a young age. Offensive line coaches will appreciate Westerman's technical savvy and zone scheme teams will covet his fluidity and blocking ability on the move. A move to center is not out of the question thanks to his body type and quickness and his draft stock may be helped by a potential ability to offer roster depth at several offensive line positions.

I do not know what Westerman is dealing with at the moment.  It could be family issues, mental health issues, motivation issues.  We simply do not know.  But for now he is a Bengal.  I hope he can play OT for goodness sake.

(08-23-2019, 06:23 PM)jj22 Wrote: FYI see my initial post (170) about ZT reaching out to him. I said exactly what Fred said. Fred just swung and missed.

But I've been throwing fast balls by him for years now.

Quote:it's long been stated that ZT had to reach out to him to talk him into returning to the team. That's why he came back. Funny, that's all it took.

Jay Morrison Wrote:Zac Taylor said he has talked to Westerman a couple of times since the team placed him the Exempt/Left Squad list on Friday. Zac did not have an updated. Westerman has until 4 p.m. Wednesday to decide.

(08-23-2019, 06:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: And, neither do you..   My point is, none of knows exactly what transpired, the information released by the team is very limited.  We all use our imaginations to create our own scenario of what might have went down.  Just because you don't like one fan's interpretation of the situation, does not mean that his take on it is any lessor or greater than any one else's.

There is absolutely no need to initiate, and then perpetuate, dialogue with a member that you obviously do not agree with, for the purpose of making him appear "wrong" for having his own opinion.  

And, that message goes for all of us.  Let's be real for a moment, it's going to be a rough season for Bengal fans.  There's absolutely no need for fans of the same team to start turning on one another.  Personally, I expect the team to get off to a disappointing start, and then begin building and growing, as the season rolls along.  By the end of the season, this entire "Westerman considering retirement" saga will be but just a blip on all of our memory banks..

(08-25-2019, 10:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I think the bottom line is we are going to see more and more of this. As the medical field becomes more and more knowledgeable about CTE, and legends like Jim Brown are show going to the podium to announce a draft pick with the aid of a walker, there will be more players who make a nice amount of money and think about getting out healthy. If they have a decent degree, or even not, as long as they have smart investment counselors, they can play golf the rest of their life instead of being in pain. It's a lot to think about for someone at that stage.