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J and J ordered to pay - Goalpost - 08-27-2019 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/j-j-found-guilty-opioid-123600220.html So this is a tricky one to me. J and J provided drugs that were approved by the FDA but is held responsible. Some estimated their liability could have been as high as 17 billion but the judge ordered a much lower amount, albeit guilty. Another case is pending in Ohio next. Doctors will tell you that opioids were obviously addictive and they knew this as far back as the 90's. They will also tell you that they were effective treatments for a variety of pain issues be it broken bones, cancer treatments, etc. RE: J and J ordered to pay - michaelsean - 08-27-2019 so it was their aggressive marketing? A patient can't go get them because they saw it on TV. They still need a Dr to write a prescription. But you can't get that kind of money out of a doctor. RE: J and J ordered to pay - GMDino - 08-27-2019 The way one doctor explained to it me is that these kinds of medicines were "pushed" to be used by the associations. That's a one sentence summation of a two hour conversation. There was a lot of back door money between manufacturers and, for lack of a better term right now, the bosses above the doctors and hospitals. The administration had more to do with it than the docs themselves. And everyone was working based on what was publicly known and being told to ignore the "fake news" about the addiction problems. RE: J and J ordered to pay - Au165 - 08-27-2019 It is right out of the tobacco playbooks of the 90's. It is one of the reason tobacco advertising changed greatly after those cases. RE: J and J ordered to pay - CJD - 08-27-2019 I've heard from a few of my friends who are doctors or work in doctor's offices that drug reps constantly come into the hospital/doctor's office and bring free food, free merch and try to persuade people to prescribe their drug instead of other drugs. If you accept their free stuff, then they will follow up with you if they see that you either aren't prescribing their drug to people or are prescribing other competitors' drugs instead. It's pay for play without technically being pay for play. In addition, doctors will be sponsored by drug reps to go give speeches or presentations at conventions (and paying them to do so), which is...shady and kind of grey in terms of its ethical nature. There are also rumors of actual bribes, but that's just straight unethical behavior that is harder to verify. I think that's probably the kind of behavior that they are being held accountable for. RE: J and J ordered to pay - Nately120 - 08-27-2019 (08-27-2019, 11:47 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I've heard from a few of my friends who are doctors or work in doctor's offices that drug reps constantly come into the hospital/doctor's office and bring free food, free merch and try to persuade people to prescribe their drug instead of other drugs. If you accept their free stuff, then they will follow up with you if they see that you either aren't prescribing their drug to people or are prescribing other competitors' drugs instead. It's pay for play without technically being pay for play. Do no harm, my ass! RE: J and J ordered to pay - Belsnickel - 08-27-2019 (08-27-2019, 11:47 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I've heard from a few of my friends who are doctors or work in doctor's offices that drug reps constantly come into the hospital/doctor's office and bring free food, free merch and try to persuade people to prescribe their drug instead of other drugs. If you accept their free stuff, then they will follow up with you if they see that you either aren't prescribing their drug to people or are prescribing other competitors' drugs instead. It's pay for play without technically being pay for play. I know about this more from Purdue than I do from Janssen, though. Purdue, the makers of Oxycontin, were highly shady in what they did and actually misled the feds regarding their product. They said that because it was an extended release thing, it wasn't able to be abused. Meanwhile, the coating was being removed and people were getting at the juicy, high potency center with ease causing what I believe that the second wave of the opioid crisis. This third wave, from Fentanyl, I find difficult to put at the feet of Janssen/J&J. The majority of Fentanyl overdoses, from my understanding, come from illicitly produced Fentanyl or Fentanyl imported from China. Anyway, here is a writeup I did on the causes of the opioid epidemic for something here in Virginia: Quote:CAUSES |