(09-04-2019, 08:20 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: He is just trying to get attention. He recently put out a book about how great Trump is. This moron should have zero attention paid to him.

(09-04-2019, 11:21 AM)jj22 Wrote: Trumps mind isn't gone, he just isn't the sharpest or brightest crayon in the box.

I was reading how he congratulated Poland (for being destroyed by the Germans in WWII).

He just isn't very smart and doesn't really care or know the things he should as POTUS. It's quite embarrassing, but the American voter will only look down upon this character trait if it was a Democrat.

(09-04-2019, 11:30 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Jesus why don't you just make it your sig and be done with it.  You act like nobody says anything bad about Trump or his character.  He is lambasted across the country.  Where are you getting this?

(09-04-2019, 11:30 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Jesus why don't you just make it your sig and be done with it.  You act like nobody says anything bad about Trump or his character.  He is lambasted across the country.  Where are you getting this?

(09-04-2019, 02:20 PM)Dill Wrote: I think he was focusing on the accountability factor.

Of course people are lambasting Trump across the country. But those people are primarily Democrats.

Trump's own party (especially in the Senate) is largely silent in the face of misbehavior. That's why little can be done to reign in his excesses.

The current AG, for example, appears to act as Trump's private lawyer and "fixer" rather than someone sworn to uphold the Constitution.

(09-04-2019, 02:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: The accountability is in 2020.

(09-04-2019, 02:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: The accountability is in 2020.

(09-04-2019, 02:02 PM)6andcounting Wrote: Shall we book this under the

"former employee bashes boss who find him"

or the

"name drop a famous person and make controversial comments about them when your career needs a spark"

category?

(09-04-2019, 05:53 PM)Dill Wrote: Too late already. Angry, confused, and out of control.

REALLY too late by next year.

(09-05-2019, 07:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That’s how citizens hold the president accountable.  You can’t complain that voters haven’t held him accountable until they vote again.

(09-05-2019, 11:36 AM)Dill Wrote: Voting is not the only way citizens hold a president accountable. That's why ours is called a system of checks and balances. The courts and Congress also hold the president accountable--or don't sometimes.

Nixon and Clinton were checked by impeachment proceedings. (Nixon's own AG resigned before carrying out an illegal order; can we count on Barr to do that?) But for such proceedings to go forward, as you know, first the HoR and then the Senate have to act. Many in those bodies, or most, are afraid to do that now, to hold the President accountable, because they are themselves accountable to voters who don't want the president impeached. Quite the opposite.

We have a president whose obstruction of justice, racially divisive comments, and violation of campaign laws offer three separate but combinable grounds for impeachment. Add to this numerous violations of the emoluments clause.  The grounds are certainly there.  

Were enough voters in the right states demanding impeachment, then they would hold the president accountable pre-election.  But we don't have it because enough people don't agree (or care) that Trump is guilty of any of the above. They are a minority, but a large minority. If two senators representing 40+ million in CA were ready to vote for impeachment, they could be easily trumped by less than three million people in Alaska, Montana, and Wyoming who could muster six senators against.

That's why I'm complaining that, first Congress, and then their voters, are not holding him accountable. This is ultimately on the voters, on their judgment, first for electing Trump and then in joining him in denial of manifest incompetence.

You know all this though. I'm just "mansplaining" to another man.  I'm guessing you just think impeachment would be worse/messier than waiting for an election.

(09-05-2019, 07:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That’s how citizens hold the president accountable.  You can’t complain that voters haven’t held him accountable until they vote again.

(09-05-2019, 11:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: No I don't know all of this.  Impeachment should be based on impeachable offenses, and not the opinion of the citizens.  The fact that it is is the fault of Congress.  The people hold elected officials accountable on election day unless there is some sort of recall ability.