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NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - GMDino - 09-27-2019 In other news... https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals Quote:The National Rifle Association acted as a "foreign asset" for Russia in the period leading up to the 2016 election, according to a new investigation unveiled Friday by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - fredtoast - 09-27-2019 I am gun owner. I don't want to take away citizens guns unless they are violent criminals or mentally unstable. But the NRA does not represent me or even a majority of gun owners. Their only interest are the support of gun manufactures, not gun owners. They only care about profits, not the safety of US citizens. I wish there was another group that would actually represent the true interest of most gun owners. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - GMDino - 09-27-2019 (09-27-2019, 12:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am gun owner. Based on the comments I read you are in the majority. Not sure who is still paying the NRA other than diehards. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - fredtoast - 09-27-2019 (09-27-2019, 12:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Not sure who is still paying the NRA other than diehards. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nra-receives-millions-fro_b_848727?guccounter=1 since 2005 contributions from gun industry “corporate partners” to the NRA total between $14.7 million and $38.9 million. Among the NRA’s “corporate partners” who gave $25,000 or more to the organization are 22 that manufacture firearms, including such well-known gunmakers as: Arsenal, Inc.; Benelli; Beretta USA Corporation; Browning; DPMS Panther Arms; FNH USA; Glock, Inc.; H&R 1871, LLC; Marlin Firearms; Remington Arms Co., Inc.; SIGARMS, Inc.; Smith & Wesson Corporation; Springfield Armory; and, Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. Of the 22 gunmakers, 12 manufacture assault weapons. Also among the NRA’s “corporate partners” are numerous high-capacity ammunition magazine manufacturers or vendors. This explains why the NRA opposes certain policies (like universal background checks on all gun purchases) that a large majority of its own members support. The NRA is there for the gun makers, not the gunowners. Criminals account for a large part of the demand for weapons in this country. The NRA does not want to cut off that part of the market. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Nately120 - 09-27-2019 (09-27-2019, 12:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This explains why the NRA opposes certain policies (like universal background checks on all gun purchases) that a large majority of its own members support. The NRA is there for the gun makers, not the gunowners. Criminals account for a large part of the demand for weapons in this country. The NRA does not want to cut off that part of the market. The more bad people the gun manufacturers arm, the more guns they can sell to good people who need to buy guns because bad people have them. If only gun manufacturers had the balls to actually say "You need to buy more guns because we just sold a bunch of guns to bad guys." RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-27-2019 NRA members have been rather unhappy with the current leadership for some time now. This will probably be the, well deserved, nail in the coffin. For those that care The Second Amendment Foundation is a great alternative for those wanting to support their 2A rights but have issues with the NRA. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Dill - 09-27-2019 (09-27-2019, 12:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This explains why the NRA opposes certain policies (like universal background checks on all gun purchases) that a large majority of its own members support. The NRA is there for the gun makers, not the gunowners. Criminals account for a large part of the demand for weapons in this country. The NRA does not want to cut off that part of the market. Just good business. ![]() RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-28-2019 (09-27-2019, 11:38 PM)Dill Wrote: Just good business. Just good propaganda. No responsible gun owner wants guns in the hands of criminals. Don't lie to try and make a point. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - fredtoast - 10-01-2019 (09-28-2019, 02:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Just good propaganda. No responsible gun owner wants guns in the hands of criminals. Don't lie to try and make a point. I am not talking about responsible gun owners. I am talking about the NRA. They fight tooth and nail to insure that criminals will not have to go through a back ground check to buy a gun while responsible gun owners don't agree with that. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Nately120 - 10-01-2019 (10-01-2019, 11:37 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I am not talking about responsible gun owners. That's what is so amazing about gun manufacturers...they fight to make sure they can sell criminals and the mentally ill guns so they can then sell more guns to law-abiding citizens so they can protect themselves from all the crazy bad guys that have guns. I just wish they had the stones to run an advertisement with a bunch of actors playing armed criminals and saying "We just sold these dangerous criminals a bunch of guns...are you just going to sit there unarmed and hope for the best?" RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Dill - 10-01-2019 (10-01-2019, 11:37 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I am not talking about responsible gun owners. And, to complement your point, I was talking about gun manufacturers, the primary support of the NRA. They know their market. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - ballsofsteel - 10-01-2019 The NRA need to signup some new members. Anyone here interested? You'll receive a window sticker for your pick'em up truck. Wayne the frenchman needs a new guest house built behind his mansion. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-01-2019 (10-01-2019, 02:56 PM)Dill Wrote: And, to complement your point, I was talking about gun manufacturers, the primary support of the NRA. How does that compliment any point? Criminals don't purchase their guns legally. They either steal them or buy them on the black market, neither of these will ever require a background check. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Dill - 10-02-2019 (10-01-2019, 11:36 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How does that compliment any point? Criminals don't purchase their guns legally. They either steal them or buy them on the black market, neither of these will ever require a background check. The question I addressed was whether criminals constituted a share of the market which could be affected by gun laws. If they do, then gun laws limiting/ controlling purchase could limit profits. Black market or steal=False either/or. "Straw purchases" anyone? RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-02-2019 (10-02-2019, 02:50 PM)Dill Wrote: The question I addressed was whether criminals constituted a share of the market which could be affected by gun laws. The answer to this is, no. Quote:If they do, then gun laws limiting/ controlling purchase could limit profits. They don't, so it won't. Quote:Black market or steal=False either/or. "Straw purchases" anyone? Straw purchases are illegal, thus they fall under the black market. The very first question on the NICS form is confirming that you are purchasing this firearm for yourself and no one else. You raise a good point though, how about actually enforcing existing laws on illegal gun possession and purchases instead of proposing new ones that won't affect the murder rate at all? Novel concept I know. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - fredtoast - 10-02-2019 (10-02-2019, 04:03 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You raise a good point though, how about actually enforcing existing laws on illegal gun possession and purchases instead of proposing new ones that won't affect the murder rate at all? Novel concept I know. Actually it is not a novel concept at all. I address it every time that popular "speaking point" is used It is impossible to enforce these laws without having guns registered to specific owners. Police confiscate millions of weapons every year from criminals but they can't prosecute anyone for supplying them to criminals because there is no record of who is responsible for them. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - fredtoast - 10-02-2019 (10-02-2019, 02:50 PM)Dill Wrote: The question I addressed was whether criminals constituted a share of the market which could be affected by gun laws. (10-02-2019, 04:03 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The answer to this is, no. So you are saying that there is not a huge black market making millions selling guns to criminals? Requiring all guns to be registered to specific owners would put a huge dent in that market. Isn't it funny how loud "responsible" gun owners squeal when you suggest they should be held "responsible" for their own weapons? RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - GMDino - 10-02-2019 (10-02-2019, 05:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you are saying that there is not a huge black market making millions selling guns to criminals? I just saw a news story on a poll that said a majority think vaping should be banned but they are afraid of the black market growing if that happened. RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-02-2019 (10-02-2019, 08:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: I just saw a news story on a poll that said a majority think vaping should be banned but they are afraid of the black market growing if that happened. Well, it is historically proven that banning something people want creates a black market for said something. See prohibition for a rather salient example. However, vaping is not a Constitutional right. Additionally, there's the fact that the vast majority of criminals, who account for the vast majority of gun related homicides, acquire their firearms illegally already. Why would adding more laws curtail that? Again, actually enforce existing laws. Aggressively prosecute those found in illegal possession of a firearm. Aggressively prosecute straw purchasers. Once you actually do that maybe we can then consider additional laws to curtail this criminal activity. Maybe stop trying to impose further restrictions on those actually obeying the law prior to doing so? RE: NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-03-2019 (10-02-2019, 11:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Well, it is historically proven that banning something people want creates a black market for said something. See prohibition for a rather salient example. However, vaping is not a Constitutional right. Additionally, there's the fact that the vast majority of criminals, who account for the vast majority of gun related homicides, acquire their firearms illegally already. Why would adding more laws curtail that? Again, actually enforce existing laws. Aggressively prosecute those found in illegal possession of a firearm. Aggressively prosecute straw purchasers. Once you actually do that maybe we can then consider additional laws to curtail this criminal activity. Maybe stop trying to impose further restrictions on those actually obeying the law prior to doing so? How are straw purchasers identified? |