(05-05-2016, 05:50 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I've seen every episode and I don't know what the F**k you people are talking about.  I guess I'm just in it for the boobs and seeing people slaughtered.  And Tiberion or whatever his name is.

(05-05-2016, 10:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Rhaegar is Dany's dead older brother. He is the reason Robert's rebellion happened (he "kidnapped" Lyanna who was to be married to Robert). He is referenced a few times in the series. 

(05-05-2016, 01:56 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Probably not too much (if true and he finds out soon) in the near future. But down the road having 'dragon blood' in him may come in handy with Dany's kids.

(05-06-2016, 12:19 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Good points.

They will probably reveal that slowly, since it's not a particularly urgent or critical bit of info.  And I think that realization, for Jon and other characters, is probably something RR will want to stay consistent with his plan.

Not sure what will happen in the near-term with Jon.  He's no longer obligated to the Watch, but he also has no real place to go, especially without an army.  Maybe Sansa getting to Castle Black will be the catalyst for him to march on Winterfell.

I hope this season isn't otherwise a slow burn bringing everything together for a war with the White Walkers, because I see things going that way.

Supposedly two more seasons after this, so some 28 episodes left.  My feeling is there may be some shocking or surprising moments, but not much will really happen this season....ending with Jon marching on Winterfell and Dany boarding a fleet of ships for Westerios.  I'm hoping for another major White Walker confrontation but don't expect it to happen (although having the Walkers take Winterfell would be an interesting development).

(05-06-2016, 03:40 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: But there are only 2 main players for the throne controlling all the strings... Varys and Littlefinger.  While neither will probly ever sit the throne they both have a ton of control

(05-06-2016, 04:28 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Seems they are going to use Bran's newfound abilities to show flashback's and quickly fill in history (convenient plot device is convenient!).  Interesting point about Robb thinking Bran and Rincon were dead.

And I've completely forgotten about Littlefinger!  Past due to check in with him this week...Anyway, I disagree about them being the puppetmasters you claim.  Littlefinger, I think, is mainly there to represent the power-grabbers trying to manipulate their way to higher class.  Varys is more of a survivor who tries to identify the winners and align himself with them.  In a world of magic and walking dead, I think those two have influence but no real power or control to change the will of the gods.

The more influence Littlefinger tries to exert, the more he will be on others' radar...and it will end badly for him.  Dany has Tyrion and Varys to advise her, so Littlefinger can't manipulate that.  And Jon appears to be above such manipulation, as well, especially with Sir Davos advising him.

Jon is no longer bound by oath, but I don't see him turning his attention away from the threat beyond the Wall unless something (or someone - a.k.a Sansa) does that.  And even with Wildling army, what are we talking - 5,000 counting women and children?  He's not going to do much with that.  Although I could see much of the North following him voluntarily.  Maybe then he seeks to unite Westerios against the threat behind the wall....so there's the rest of this season, ending with Dany arriving with her dragons.

(05-08-2016, 11:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: By not telling us what was in that tower, they basically told us.

(05-09-2016, 12:42 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: I think that entire thing would be nearly impossible to piece together without knowledge of the books.

(05-09-2016, 09:24 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: True, a lot more is revealed in the books, but it's clear that there's more in the Tower of Joy than just his sister and it's clear Bran will discover. Considering how big of a reveal this would be if it's Jon, I guess I can see why they're teasing us and making us wait. 

Why else would the Prince's closest friend guard this tower after the Prince and the King died?

(05-09-2016, 09:55 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: in the books it was 3 of the kings guard.. With no royalty present.

His friend you speak of was the Griffith there?

(05-09-2016, 10:12 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: No Griffith, it seems like that story line was just omitted. Arthur Dayne and some rando Kingsguard were there in the episode. 

Ned tells him it's over and that he wants his sister. In response to Ned saying that Rhaegar and Aerys are dead, Arthur says that Rhaegar told him to protect what's in the tower or not let anyone in there, something like that. 

(05-09-2016, 01:50 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: So was Jon supposed to be the "Oathbreaker", that Sir Alliser referenced, or was it the Sir Alliser and the other 3 assasins executed for treason?

Because leaving the watch clearly wasn't breaking his Oath, but I'm confused if he actually did ever break his Oath.

Because maybe it actually references Arya, although I'm not sure she actually took any sort of oath. But I don't think anyone expects her to remain the girl with no name.

(05-09-2016, 02:01 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: He was preceived as breaking his oaths when he join mances army as they only one that could speak for that was killed by his hand (also could be considered breaking an oath)

(05-09-2016, 02:10 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: If it was meant to reference the four, then I suppose they would have called it "Oathbreakers".

Could mean his larger Night Watch story arc, and the Jon broke his Oath (more than once, probably).  Maybe they meant to juxtapose it with Brienne's sword "Oathkeeper".  Just seems a bit inappropriate here as Jon is not breaking any oaths in this episode, unless as you allude it's about abandoning his faith.

(05-09-2016, 02:14 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: but now thats hes been touched by the red god.  who knows.

(05-09-2016, 02:01 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: I believe it was about jon...

He was preceived as breaking his oaths when he join mances army as they only one that could speak for that was killed by his hand (also could be considered breaking an oath)

It could be referencing the fact he died and came back which ends his oath to the nights watch.  

Or the brothers that killed him themselves.

Did the episode include anything about him and the red god as he also holds oaths to the old gods.

(05-09-2016, 10:12 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: No Griffith, it seems like that story line was just omitted. Arthur Dayne and some rando Kingsguard were there in the episode. 

Ned tells him it's over and that he wants his sister. In response to Ned saying that Rhaegar and Aerys are dead, Arthur says that Rhaegar told him to protect what's in the tower or not let anyone in there, something like that.