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Coronavirus - Goalpost - 01-30-2020 Figured I'd start a thread on this because the impact has substantial consequences if not already it's made. To the best of my knowledge on this the virus is transmitted from animals to humans 1st. The epicenter is China with the city of Wuhan the culprit, food markets apparently. I've heard references of snakes and bats to other animals being involved with this passing it on, and then of course, humans passing it on. Much of China's cities are on lockdown due to it spreading...over 50 million people locked down. The virus is mostly a respiratory concern, especially to older or younger people being at the most risk, and even dying from it. Most of the deaths are in China with handfuls throughout other countries now being afflicted. The virus seems to have a long incubation period, as much as two weeks making it tough to screen. Although you will see many people wearing masks, it seems touch might be the main way to transfer it. Doctors are saying wash your hands, avoid touching your face etc. A medical cure for this is roughly 12 months out, at best. President Trump has ordered screening at 20 US airports, Airlines are cancelling flights into China. Disney closed it's theme park there. Hotel and casino companies, travel and recreational companies like Royal Caribbean are seeing the effects. The stock market is a bit on edge right now. If there is any good news, the virus may not be as fatal as other virus's. But it is still early to say, as this virus initiated in China where information can be a bit foggy to come out. RE: Coronavirus - Benton - 01-30-2020 Doc said just to take limes and make the most of it. I don't get worked up about these things. I know it stinks, but flu like illness complications are always one of the biggest killers globally RE: Coronavirus - Au165 - 01-30-2020 It seems to be more hype than actual concern, very similar to how the SARS panic was not really as serious as everyone acted like it would be. During the SARS outbreak years back only 800 people died worldwide. While 800 deaths isn't good, when looking at things like the flu that has killed 8,000 people in the U.S. alone THIS YEAR you realize people tend to sensationalize the new things and disregard the issues they are familiar with. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 01-30-2020 The flu can be deadly if you are susceptible to suffering from it worse than others. A different strain is the same. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 01-30-2020 Never mind. It's good for "business".
RE: Coronavirus - michaelsean - 01-30-2020 When I first heard about this it sounded as deadly as ebola or something. Maybe a little more dangerous than the average flu to the people who are susceptible? RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 01-30-2020 (01-30-2020, 10:57 AM)michaelsean Wrote: When I first heard about this it sounded as deadly as ebola or something. Maybe a little more dangerous than the average flu to the people who are susceptible? Or worse than vaping?
RE: Coronavirus - Au165 - 01-30-2020 (01-30-2020, 10:57 AM)michaelsean Wrote: When I first heard about this it sounded as deadly as ebola or something. Maybe a little more dangerous than the average flu to the people who are susceptible? At this point it's less lethal than the average flu but it's still early. The fear is more centered around how easily it spreads but it seems to be less lethal than what was originally thought. RE: Coronavirus - Benton - 01-31-2020 (01-30-2020, 11:50 AM)Au165 Wrote: At this point it's less lethal than the average flu but it's still early. The fear is more centered around how easily it spreads but it seems to be less lethal than what was originally thought. That's not uncommon with something "new". I say 'new" because lots of strains have been around centuries, gently mutating to adapt and stay alive. RE: Coronavirus - Au165 - 01-31-2020 (01-31-2020, 04:06 AM)Benton Wrote: That's not uncommon with something "new". I say 'new" because lots of strains have been around centuries, gently mutating to adapt and stay alive. There are always levels though even in regards to new viruses. I've seen a couple articles that compare it's ability to be transmitted as similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu, which would make it one of the most quickly spreading viruses we have seen in a long time. It's still early in this whole thing so we shall see. RE: Coronavirus - Benton - 01-31-2020 (01-31-2020, 09:24 AM)Au165 Wrote: There are always levels though even in regards to new viruses. I've seen a couple articles that compare it's ability to be transmitted as similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu, which would make it one of the most quickly spreading viruses we have seen in a long time. It's still early in this whole thing so we shall see. It could be, but what made things like the Spanish Flu is typically what makes all flu strains deadly: lack of access to clean water and basic healthcare. RE: Coronavirus - Au165 - 01-31-2020 (01-31-2020, 11:20 AM)Benton Wrote: It could be, but what made things like the Spanish Flu is typically what makes all flu strains deadly: lack of access to clean water and basic healthcare. It was far more complex then that, It wiped out 675k people in the U.S. many of which had plenty of access to basic heath care ,although it wasn't very good it was the same care they received for other Flu's of the time, and clean water. In fact it originally started with U.S. soldiers it is believed who essentially spread the virus across the country and eventually into Europe when they crossed over to France for the war. What made the Spanish Flu so deadly was that it was not only deadly to the young or elderly but ravished the 20-40 year old demographic at almost the same rate as the more at risk groups. It was unique because it went after the upper and lower respiratory system. By infecting the upper tract it was very easily transmittable but by infecting the lower tract as well it became far more dangerous. This was somewhat unique because most flu viruses are an either or, not necessarily both. Coming back full circle to this strain of coronavirus, it's how easily it can be transmitted that has scientist worried. It doesn't appear the mortality rate is especially high when treated for non at risk groups but there is a certain amount of degradation in healthcare overall if the system gets over run. RE: Coronavirus - Benton - 01-31-2020 (01-31-2020, 12:04 PM)Au165 Wrote: It was far more complex then that, It wiped out 675k people in the U.S. many of which had plenty of access to basic heath care ,although it wasn't very good it was the same care they received for other Flu's of the time, and clean water. In fact it originally started with U.S. soldiers it is believed who essentially spread the virus across the country and eventually into Europe when they crossed over to France for the war. What made the Spanish Flu so deadly was that it was not only deadly to the young or elderly but ravished the 20-40 year old demographic at almost the same rate as the more at risk groups. It was unique because it went after the upper and lower respiratory system. By infecting the upper tract it was very easily transmittable but by infecting the lower tract as well it became far more dangerous. This was somewhat unique because most flu viruses are an either or, not necessarily both. https://insider.si.edu/2015/01/six-cold-flu-medicines-youre-not-taking-today-good-reason/ Healthcare today is a lot different than healthcare in the early 1900s. Medical treatment for the flu, even in the US, would have included whiskey, menthol smokes, bloodletting and quinine (one of the items listed at the link). Quinine kills parasites, but, as we know now, doesn't do anything for the flu. And even today, there's places in the US where the majority of the community doesn't have potable water. I worked in a county for over a decade and one of their biggest local government achievements was finally running water line to every main road in the county. Not every neighborhood, just state highway. And it's not just rural places. Look at Detroit's water woes. It's hard to fight off infections and diseases when your water isn't clean, making your organs work even harder. RE: Coronavirus - Au165 - 01-31-2020 (01-31-2020, 01:21 PM)Benton Wrote: https://insider.si.edu/2015/01/six-cold-flu-medicines-youre-not-taking-today-good-reason/ Your article is a fun read but that's not what made the Spanish Flu as deadly as it was, or why it spread so quickly. I covered those reasons, but there is a lot of good information out there on it. World wide it killed 50 Million people, there had been other world wide pandemics in that same time period that didn't kill close to that so t put it off to healthcare and clean water is disregarding other diseases were treated under those same conditions. For instance the Russian Flu that occurred in 1889 to 1890 only killed about a million people with worse conditions 30 years prior but had far less death. Genetic makeup of viruses matter, that is my point. The things I am reading are from world renowned scientists and they are the ones saying it potentially could be able to spread at a rate of the Spanish Flu. The lethality of the virus as I said earlier isn't the scary part it's how hard it is to contain because with higher volume the quality of health care will drop in general. Obviously no disease today would be as lethal, hell the plague isn't as lethal today because of medicine, but the reality is we are still at risk of being overrun by a disease that is highly adept to person to person transmission. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-31-2020 (01-31-2020, 12:04 PM)Au165 Wrote: It was far more complex then that, It wiped out 675k people in the U.S. many of which had plenty of access to basic heath care ,although it wasn't very good it was the same care they received for other Flu's of the time, and clean water. In fact it originally started with U.S. soldiers it is believed who essentially spread the virus across the country and eventually into Europe when they crossed over to France for the war. What made the Spanish Flu so deadly was that it was not only deadly to the young or elderly but ravished the 20-40 year old demographic at almost the same rate as the more at risk groups. It was unique because it went after the upper and lower respiratory system. By infecting the upper tract it was very easily transmittable but by infecting the lower tract as well it became far more dangerous. This was somewhat unique because most flu viruses are an either or, not necessarily both. People generally don’t die of the flu. The generally die of complications from the flu. Like the pneumonia they got as a result of getting the flu first. Usually, these complications affect high risk groups; under age 2, over age 65, chronic diseases, such as asthma or diabetes, they take medicines which can suppress their immune system like methotrexate, or they’ve had a surgery which can affect their immune system such as a splenectomy. Most healthy adults with a normal working immune system usually feel terrible for about a week, but recover. With the information you provided it makes me suspect the Spanish Flu most likely caused pneumonia in these usually low risk patients. I wonder if they got a community acquired pneumonia which could be treated with an antibiotic which wasn’t available then? If so, I would expect a lower mortality rate during a similar outbreak today. Or did they get a viral pneumonia in which case an antibiotic wouldn’t have been effective if it was available? If the leading cause of mortality was a viral pneumonia as a complication of the flu what would the mortality rate be like today? RE: Coronavirus - Belsnickel - 02-01-2020 Well, I guess it's a good thing that Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response Quote:When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.” RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 02-12-2020 Trump proves again that he is completely clueless... Part 1
Part 2 https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/02/11/trump-proposes-16-cut-to-cdc-as-global-number-of-coronavirus-infections-and-deaths-rise/?fbclid=IwAR3GwJjT8y5vaJqQ2Qa83hCr_MvXlPIZGZuFDDO-i-96ubMeZIqXwgmKE_o#2b00ba3918da Quote:Trump Proposes 16% Cut To CDC As Global Number Of Coronavirus Infections And Deaths Rise I sincerely doubt he can his budget passed but it's always nice to see what Trump's "priorities"are with them. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 02-25-2020 You all are NOT going to believe this but DJT said in India today that many people are saying he has handled the disease perfectly by not allowing certain people into the country (perhaps never done before) AND he's requesting 2.5 billion to study it. Meanwhile...
RE: Coronavirus - Goalpost - 02-25-2020 So an update on this. There have been 80,290 confirmed cases with 2704 deaths. Asia/Pacific is responsible for 79,809 of the cases. The stock market tanked yesterday about 1000 points. The big story seemed to be the spreading of....with Iran, South Korea, and Italy seeing increases in infections with. There is an issue here with containing this. So much of the focus has been on China and restricting travel. Unfortunately it has spread into other countries, and with this incubation period that the virus operates at, it is difficult to get accurate testing. You have to wonder now where the virus has spread to...do you create travel bans to other countries....and have people already slipped thru from now Italy or some other country, etc. It seems drug companies are working pro actively with this attempting to create a vaccine. Gilead and other biotech companies along with Johnson and Johnson seem to be the fore leaders here. All is not lost.....Dupont cant make lab suits quick enough...ha. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 02-25-2020 Some more of Trump's "best people" handling this.
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