(03-27-2020, 02:51 PM)Dill Wrote: Hitting closer to home--Reported this week, first case of Coronavirus in Indiana, PA.

Also, our renter has been laid off. She is a Nigerian national, with an 8 year old daughter.
Going to be some interesting complications there.

Hope she can get unemployment insurance because she insists on paying rent anyway.

(03-27-2020, 03:03 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Assuming she's here legally, I'm sure she's fine to get unemployment.  

Anything I've ever heard of Nigerians is they are among the most industrious people on the planet.  Very much like our stereotype of Asians as far as education and work goes.   

(03-27-2020, 12:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, this is walking realllllllly close to that fascism line.

(03-27-2020, 12:34 PM)GMDino Wrote: But is anyone surprised?  
Not the first time Trump (or his people) have said such a thing.
But "it's just Trump being Trump" or "Trump as a right to defend himself" or "the lamestream media makes up fake news" or, or or....

(03-27-2020, 12:02 PM)holloder Wrote: Freedom of speech!
...means Alex Jones is totally safe, but showing clips of Trump saying things is unacceptable.

Of course I'd expect anyone who celebrates all freedom of speech fighters from Rush to Sean to be utterly outraged about that particular attempt to undercut the principle.

(03-27-2020, 03:55 PM)Dill Wrote: I heard "both sides do it."

As Trump’s Poll Numbers Rise, Media Begin Censoring Press Conferences :Media continue to make their coverage choices based on whether they believe it will harm or help Trump.

The political media have been working extremely hard to craft a narrative that the spread of the coronavirus was essentially the fault of the man they had blamed for all other ills in recent years. How could the people not accept that narrative, particularly considering that most everyone in the media was pushing it? . . .

In response, the media were angry and depressed and began blaming his press conferences. Their theory seemed to be that the more Americans saw Trump, unfiltered, they liked him and the more Americans saw the behavior of the media, they didn’t like it. This flies in the face of what many in the media assumed for years. They pushed for daily White House press conferences so that they could have the opportunity to be on camera and pressure the Trump administration. Now that they had daily press briefings with the president, no less, they weren’t happy. It was a weird response for a group of people whose ostensible job is to simply report the news of the day....

The media that was able to push impeachment while the coronavirus spread throughout the world, that claimed concerns about it were racist, and that attempts to control its spread were xenophobic, now wants even more control over the message. Their plan to keep Americans in the dark about what the country’s top political and medical officials say unless it is filtered through a group of people who botched the 2016 campaign, the Russia collusion narrative, and the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing is a demonstration of something very dangerous.

They don’t want to report the news. They want to control it. That is damaging and destructive to their own already hurting reputations but, more importantly, to public health itself.


Ms. Ziegler seems to be arguing that media efforts to block, edit or correct disinformation are a kind of arrogant censorship.

Nevertheless, her observation seems correct that people are responding more positively to angry Trump rambles than to media undercutting his authority.

(03-27-2020, 03:19 PM)Dill Wrote: That's my impression so far.  She is the best renter I have ever had. Always pays on time. Clean apartment.

Whatever it is they teach people in Shithole countries, we need some of that.

Yes, she is here legally. Just earned a Masters Degree in Public something at IUP.
Not sure about the unemployment. If they send her back they don't have to pay her, right?  America first!

(03-26-2020, 10:39 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: OMG, the WHO didn’t tweet it couldn’t be spread from human to human. The WHO tweeted China reported there was no evidence of person to person spread.

No evidence of something doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Especially in the first 1-2 months of a novel virus.

To dumb it down for the Fox News audience, there is no evidence Hillary Clinton is guilty of anything even though y’all know she is guilty of everything.

General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2020

Quote:Two days before he cursed a supervisor and quit the National Park Service job he loved, Dustin Stone arrived to work in a foul mood. A decision by Interior Secretary David Bernhardt to keep national park sites open despite the coronavirus outbreak left him angry and in disbelief.

The virus hasn’t reached Skagway, a tiny town on the Alaskan panhandle where Stone lives and worked at the Klondike Gold Rush National Historical Park. But if it does, he said, it could be a disaster. “I’ve lived here year-round through eight flu seasons, and I’ve seen how quickly an infection can spread,” he said. “When one of us gets sick, most of us get sick.” There’s no full-time doctor and no hospital in Skagway. A single community health clinic has a registered nurse and assistants.

When it became clear that Klondike Gold Rush would not be among the few sites allowed to close, and would continue hiring seasonal workers from the Lower 48 to come to Skagway for the spring and summer rush of visitors, Stone snapped. He barked a few choice words and stormed out.

As the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention prepared to issue new guidance Thursday about how visitors should behave at more than 300 park sites that remain open, park employees expressed anger and fears about the spread of infection.

After thousands poured into Grand Canyon National Park last weekend, the park’s supervisor submitted a request to close it, according to a staffer at the park who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of being fired. One park ranger had 600 “close contacts” with visitors in a single day at Bright Angel Trail, the staffer said.

The request was approved by the region that oversees Grand Canyon and supported by both the Navajo Nation and Coconino County, the park staffer said.

“The Navajo Nation is fighting an outbreak of Covid-19 on the Navajo Indian Reservation ... in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah,” the nation’s president, Jonathan Nez, wrote in a letter to Interior and the Park Service on Tuesday. “We write to request an emergency closure of Grand Canyon National Park.”

(03-27-2020, 09:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This one is rich, to me:

<bGeneral Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!!

What could be the delay?

Oh, yeah...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/us/politics/coronavirus-ventilators-trump.html

(03-27-2020, 07:02 PM)6andcounting Wrote: If there's no evidence it can be spread human-to-human, then of course countries will be ill prepared when it turns out it's highly contagious. The problem is - as GMD pointed out - there was ample evidence at that point in time it was contagious. WHO - a highly credible institution in this situation - announced Chinese propaganda that misled the world.

But now it WHO is complain countries didn't prepare quick enough. 

@haiyang050504 Hello - there has been no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
However, such transmission is always a concern when patients have respiratory symptoms - this requires further investigation.

— World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) January 14, 2020

(03-27-2020, 09:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This one is rich, to me:

General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2020

What could be the delay?

Oh, yeah...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/us/politics/coronavirus-ventilators-trump.html

(03-27-2020, 09:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Also, people need to stop ruining the parks, for me. I wanted to go fish the Rapidan next week and if SNP closes because of these assholes, I'll be pissed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/03/26/coronavirus-national-parks/


I get a yearly pass to federal recreation lands because I spend a lot of time on them. I think everyone should enjoy their beauty and spend more time on these lands to appreciate the splendor of this nation. But seriously, folks, stop being idiots.

(03-27-2020, 10:08 PM)Dill Wrote: “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators,” [Trump] said, a reference to New York, where Gov. Andrew Cuomo has appealed for federal help in obtaining them. “You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”

Democrats running hospitals Lol.  If they didn't need so many ventilators before, then how can it be they'll need so many just because of an epidemic? 

I'm guessing if hospitals double the number, go to four or even six ventilators, they'll be fine.

(03-28-2020, 12:44 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: A cluster of cases was first reported on 12/31/19. On 1/12/2020, or 2 days before the tweet you posted from Fox News, there were a total of 41 cases and one death.

On the same day the WHO also tweeted . . .

So . . .

1. Always a concern

2. Needs further investigation

So 15 days and approximately 40 cases into the coronavirus timeline the WHO tweeted what China told them. With the caveat human to human transmission is always a concern and further study is needed to confirm. Especially when we know coronavirus caused SARs and MERs.

Now, understand Fox News and Lou Dobbs are just trying to blame the WHO for Trump’s lack of action. After the WHO declared this was a pandemic Trump was still claiming they were wrong based upon a hunch.

In conclusion, that was a f’n tweet.

This . . .

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/112656/9789241507134_eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

is a 156 page WHO guidebook on how to prepare and respond to an epidemic or pandemic respiratory illness.

Now if you were a public health official tasked with preparing for a potential epidemic or a pandemic, would you base your preparation on one tweet?

OF COURSE YOU ***** WOULDN’T BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ***** STUPID!

If you had even the tiniest bit of common sense you would follow a guidebook on how to prepare for an pandemic and not a tweet based upon 15 days and 41 cases on information.

If someone believes countries didn’t prepare for a pandemic based upon that tweet then they’re probably the same people panic buying toilet paper.

(03-27-2020, 07:02 PM)6andcounting Wrote: If there's no evidence it can be spread human-to-human, then of course countries will be ill prepared when it turns out it's highly contagious. The problem is - as GMD pointed out - there was ample evidence at that point in time it was contagious. WHO - a highly credible institution in this situation - announced Chinese propaganda that misled the world.

But now it WHO is complain countries didn't prepare quick enough. 

China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 24, 2020

(03-28-2020, 01:44 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: I am amazed that people think it’s the presidents fault this has happened. I wouldn’t care who was/is in office, this is unprecedented. Also, all politicians lie, not just the current one.

I am not defending Trump, but when was the last time a president had to deal with a crisis like this? 1918? I think trump and DeWine are trying to balance freedom and safety, and it’s impossible, just get it over with and shut it down for 2-3 weeks, cleArly we don’t listen to the social distancing if You venture out.