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Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - GMDino - 10-03-2015 http://www.thejournal.ie/vatican-gay-priest-2366369-Oct2015/?utm_source=facebook_short ...on eve of meeting regarding homosexual believers. Quote:THE VATICAN REACTED furiously today after a priest employed as a senior official publicly declared his homosexuality on the eve of a synod of bishops that is due to touch on the divisive issue of the Church’s relationship to gay believers. I also imagine it was more about him having a boyfriend than being gay. I know a few priests who are (if not openly) gay. I also know a few priests who had female lovers and at least two that had children that everyone "knew" about...but nothing was ever said. I suppose going to the media like this one did probably sealed his fate. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 02:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.thejournal.ie/vatican-gay-priest-2366369-Oct2015/?utm_source=facebook_short It's one of the things about the Catholic church that I never really understood. I mean I understand their stance on homosexuality and sex and general, not that I agree with it. I never really understood why priests had to be celibate and couldn't marry. I had heard that it had something to do with not being able to pass money, wealth, and church property on to family or something like that. Seems like the world just keeps moving on without them and then they are forced to play catch up and review and revise their stances in order to stay relevant. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - BmorePat87 - 10-03-2015 are we suppose to be surprised? RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - Beaker - 10-03-2015 He can't be gay...he's celibate. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - StLucieBengal - 10-03-2015 Good, he isn't fitting the job description. I hope this is a trend and we bounce out priests who aren't doing their jobs. Sexual attraction should be a non issue since they gave up that in becoming a priest. If they can't give that up then they should be booted. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - StLucieBengal - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 02:25 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: It's one of the things about the Catholic church that I never really understood. I mean I understand their stance on homosexuality and sex and general, not that I agree with it. I never really understood why priests had to be celibate and couldn't marry. I had heard that it had something to do with not being able to pass money, wealth, and church property on to family or something like that. They make that sacrifice to put others ahead of their needs. If they are married it's hard to put others in front of your wife or children. It's a calling, and if they find they need a wife then they can always walk away and become a deacon. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - bfine32 - 10-03-2015 Suppose it's like the Kim Davis situation: If you can't do your job, resign. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - Belsnickel - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 06:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Good, he isn't fitting the job description. Sexual attraction is something they will never make a non-issue. It is human nature. But whether a priest's sexual orientation is gay, straight, bi, whatevr, it doesn't matter as long as it is not acted upon. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - GMDino - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 07:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Suppose it's like the Kim Davis situation: If you can't do your job, resign. No, not really. He's capable of doing his job. He isn't elected either. He's not following one of the requirements of the job....but still doing the job correctly. Kinda actually they opposite of Kim Davis. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - bfine32 - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 08:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: He's not following one of the requirements of the job....but still doing the job correctly. Did that sentence make sense in your head? RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - Brownshoe - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 08:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, not really. How was Kim Davis not capable of doing her job other than one requirement of it? RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - GMDino - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 08:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did that sentence make sense in your head? One of the requirements to HOLD the job. He is still performing the DUTIES of the job. Clearer for you? (10-03-2015, 08:32 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: How was Kim Davis not capable of doing her job other than one requirement of it? She fulfilled the requirements to HOLD the job but refused to do the DUTIES of the job. Clearer for you? RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - bfine32 - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 08:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: One of the requirements to HOLD the job. He is still performing the DUTIES of the job. Yeah, that's a little clearer. But you should have all capped requirements instead of hold in your explination. Like I said sorta like Kim Davis. You can't do your job (requirements/duties) resign. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - GMDino - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 08:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah, that's a little clearer. But you should have all capped requirements instead of hold in your explination. What part of his job duties can he not do? Or, to be like Davis, what job duties has he refused to do because of his religion? RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - Blutarsky - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 02:25 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: It's one of the things about the Catholic church that I never really understood. I mean I understand their stance on homosexuality and sex and general, not that I agree with it. I never really understood why priests had to be celibate and couldn't marry. I had heard that it had something to do with not being able to pass money, wealth, and church property on to family or something like that. Priests are supposed to emulate Jesus...supposedly they cant both be devoted to God and their flock, and at the same time be devoted to all the responsibilities and dedication that goes into raising a family. Its about God 24/7. Being celibate elevates the priest above everyone else including the Protestant pastor or minister. Elevates not in a condescending way, but in a way that makes him special or unique. He's a man so he's got to get horny...so to be able to stay pure, reject carnal desires and remain devoted to God no doubt makes him special in my book. That all sounds nice in a perfect world, but after so many cases of priests molesting kids, I wonder how many actually are celibate. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - bfine32 - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 09:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: What part of his job duties can he not do? Or, to be like Davis, what job duties has he refused to do because of his religion? The requirements? If you don't meet the requirements of the job, you cannot perform the duties. I would take a wild stab and suggest that he might not be willing to preach a sermon on the sins of homosexuality if the Vatican directed; of course I'm just guessing on that one. Like I said, sorta like Kim Davis, if you can't do the job (requirements/duties) resign. I have zero idea why you are having issues with his concept. I suppose they are different in the aspect that Kim Davis can at least point to religious freedoms as why she cannot do her job. The preist can only point to same sex attraction. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - GMDino - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 09:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The requirements? If you don't meet the requirements of the job, you cannot perform the duties. Solid post. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - Belsnickel - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 09:14 PM)Blutarsky Wrote: Priests are supposed to emulate Jesus...supposedly they cant both be devoted to God and their flock, and at the same time be devoted to all the responsibilities and dedication that goes into raising a family. Its about God 24/7. It would be an interesting study to find out the actual celibacy rate. There has definitely been trouble with that for centuries and it is something the Pope is petitioned with regularly in modern times as well. RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - Belsnickel - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 09:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: What part of his job duties can he not do? Or, to be like Davis, what job duties has he refused to do because of his religion? He has a partner. If he had simply said he was attracted to men then it wouldn't have been as much of a thing, but he has a partner. Is that not breaking his vows as a member of the clergy? RE: Vatican dismisses gay priest who came out... - GMDino - 10-03-2015 (10-03-2015, 10:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: He has a partner. If he had simply said he was attracted to men then it wouldn't have been as much of a thing, but he has a partner. Is that not breaking his vows as a member of the clergy? If they are having sex...yes. If they are legally married...yes. But while that would disqualify him from holding the position...it would not keep him from performing his duties if they allowed him to continue the job. |