(09-16-2017, 11:46 AM)McC Wrote: I wouldn't hate him either.  It ain't personal.  I'm just commenting on what has happened and that is really bad QB play independent of the bad stuff around him.

(09-16-2017, 11:59 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Well like I said, his mechanics have gotten worse and that's on him. Could be frustration on his part, but that'd be on him as well. He has to stay composed. 

Look, you can boil down my opinion to this: I'm not happy with Dalton's play in 2017, but I'm even more unhappy with the offense as a whole, the FO for assembling this joke of an o-line, making a lazy hire with Ken Zampese, and I'm willing to give Dalton some benefit of the doubt based on 6 years of him doing good things...sometimes despite what's going on around him.

(09-16-2017, 09:28 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Please show me anyone that's defending Dalton's play THIS year. Otherwise kindly STFU.

Thanks. 

(09-16-2017, 12:21 PM)BigSeph Wrote: 1. When was the last time you updated your sig?

2. The problem is that a lot of people give Andy the "benefit of the doubt" every day, every game, every year, and their criticism of him ("Oh he is just hurried and needs to stay composed") is never really a criticism of him, it's a criticism of something else (the O-line).  

3. There's no doubt that when surrounded by good coaching, 3 above average WRs, a decent O-line, a strong run game, Andy Dalton is a good NFL QB.

We've all seen it.

4. The question is, what happens when parts of that are stripped away?  What happens when it's not Hue calling plays, but Zampese?  What happens when the front office lets a decent O-line walk and provides Andy with a bad O-line?  When you take away even one of those components, Andy's play reflects it.  Take away all of them, Andy's play reflects it.

That's not exactly a leader and that's not a QB who raises or elevates the play of his teammates.

So I think criticism of Andy is warranted - and I mean criticism of Andy, not criticism of other parts of the team disguised as criticism of Andy.

(09-16-2017, 12:32 PM)BigSeph Wrote: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=423927#pid423927


http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=424271#pid424271

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=424293#pid424293

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=424355#pid424355

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=424587#pid424587

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=424724#pid424724

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Official-Andy-Dalton-Sucks-Thread?pid=424811#pid424811

All from this thread.  The last one is you.

(09-16-2017, 11:00 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Because as anyone who knows anything about football knows, TD passes rely only on the QB throwing them. It's the QB's responsibility to call a pass play in the red zone; it's the QB's responsibility to call the right pass play; it's the QB's responsibility to have the right personnel for said play; it's the QB's responsibility to block the defenders on said play; it's the QB's responsibility to get open on said play; it's the QB's responsibilty to catch the pass on said play; and it's the QB's responsibility to stay inbounds before catching said pass on said play.

So, yeah, I can see how it's only Dalton's fault for the lack of TD production in the last 5 games.

BTW, Dalton has 4 TDs in the last 6 games. 6 TDs in the last 7. Mind comparing those to those other guys for me? See if that still reinforces your meaningless point? Appreciate it.

(09-16-2017, 09:02 PM)Synric Wrote: Ok let me ask the people giving Dalton the blame. Outside of one superbowl run how great has Aaron Rodgers been in a hell of alot weaker divison?

(09-16-2017, 09:02 PM)Synric Wrote: Ok let me ask the people giving Dalton the blame. Outside of one superbowl run how great has Aaron Rodgers been in a hell of alot weaker divison?

(09-16-2017, 09:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You mean besides holding the NFL record for career passer rating?

(09-16-2017, 10:00 PM)Synric Wrote: Numbers only tell part of the story. This isn't baseball.

Are the Lions Bears and Vikings defenses they play 6 games against better than the Steelers Ravens and Bears? What is the Pass/Run ratio? Especially in the redzone?

Edit: Eli Manning has 2 superbowl wins. Is his career passer rating near Aaron Rodgers or Dalton?

(09-16-2017, 10:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You ask do number tell the tale then introduce numbers.

As to the defenses I only went back 3 years, but CHI, DET, MIN have finished higher as a group than PIT, BAL, CLV.

As to which career passer rating is near one another: Which one of these 3 numbers would you say is not like the other two:
104.0
88.2
83.7

(09-16-2017, 10:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Did you do total defense or points cuz let's face it points more more important than yards. Bend don't break ask Belicheat. And I'd like to see all of them points per game allowed since your doing research. Then tell me what was the run / pass ratio in the red zone cuz we know that TD passes up thr passer rating big time and we know Hill has been one of th3 best scoring redzone backs since he's been here and BJGE was mo slouch.

(09-16-2017, 10:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Just stop. There is no comparison between Andy Dalton and Aaron Rodgers, except both their first names start with A. 

(09-16-2017, 10:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Just stop. There is no comparison between Andy Dalton and Aaron Rodgers, except both their first names start with A.