(09-29-2015, 01:54 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Philip Rivers was 12th in 2014 with 4200 yards 66.5% completion 31 TDs and 18 INTs. (Alex Smith only had .4 worse passer rating than Rivers and these were Smiths stats - 3200 yards 65.3% completion 18 TD 6 INTs)
Tom Brady was 17th in 2013 with 4300 yards 60.5% completion 25 TDs and 11 INTs.
Kaepernick was 10th in 2013 with 3100 yards 58.4% completion 21 TDs and 8 INTs.

There are a lot more examples if I could use QBs that didn't play a full 16 games, and I don't feel like going back further than a few years.

(09-29-2015, 02:01 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Eli Manning was 15th in 2014 with 4400 yards 63.1% completion 30 TDs and 14 INTs
Flacco was 16th in 2014 with 3986 yards 62.1% completion 27 TDs and 12 INTs

(09-29-2015, 08:43 AM)djs7685 Wrote: This thread could have turned into everybody discussing how great Andy has been this year, but all it takes is 1 or 2 people to start the "I told you so!!!" prematurely and to go batshit crazy over a time tested, proven, statistical formula.

This is why we can't have nice things.

(09-29-2015, 10:24 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Who would you rather have

QB1:
3118 yards, 64.1% completion, 26 TDs, 10 INTs

or

QB2:
4827 yards, 63% completion, 34 TDs, 8 INTs

(09-29-2015, 10:05 AM)jj22 Wrote: You have to be careful listening to the National media when it comes to Dalton. First they swore Dalton in all his passing yards/td's etc had never thrown anything like the three balls McCarron threw in game three of the preseason. Then all yesterday they swore when Dalton fumbled on the sack/strip the Dalton of prior year would have folded up. The team would have lost, and the Bungles would have returned. Um last game (last year) against the Ravens Ngata strip sacked Dalton in the 4th quarter for a potential game changer. What Dalton do? Drove the team down for the winning TD (with only Sanu as a weapon). It's funny how the hate for Dalton is so mainstream that logic and facts blind the narrative. Even crazier how Bengal fans tend to fall for it as well.

One poor outing and watch how quick these good qb qualities everyone is pointing out now is forgotten and he's back to raggedy Andy no better than McCrarron.

(09-30-2015, 02:01 PM)jj22 Wrote: You just have the national media setting narratives and Bengals fans follow. Dalton was on the same tear in 2013 ended with career and record setting numbers, but the national media called him a bum (said he was below average, Jaws ranked him below Bradford, Stafford, Cutler, Kaep) and told us he should be cut and we should be in the market of a new qb (hello Carr/Bridgewater/Johnny football) fans ran with it. It looks like he will have 2013 numbers again this year and the media tells us he's turned the corner and those same fans run wit that narrative. If you've watched Dalton you know his ceiling and we are seeing it. We've seen it before. It's nothing new, the consistency maybe but it's only been 3 games. Those national media heads acting like it's a new Dalton, just are out to cover for their unfair narrative of his career accomplishments.

Fact is Dalton has been a very successful qb, and should be ashamed of his career as a 2nd round draft pick. There are many teams, 28 other ones, who wish they were lucky enough to have a below average qb. Why? Cause only 4 other teams have made the playoffs back to back years the last 4 (and looking like 5) years. It's time the national media focuses on the qb's of those other 28 teams. Not one of the big 4.

(09-30-2015, 02:01 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Those 2 QBs have a whopping 1.3 difference in rating and they were both in the top 6. And they both won at least 1 playoff game that year.

(09-30-2015, 02:11 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: And you actually think that they should even be close to each other? Lol Ok. I guess football isn't about scoring points and it's about who is more efficient. One QB has 1700 more yards 8 more TDs and 2 less INTs and only 1% less completion percentage, and he has a lower passer rating. Anyone who is shown those two stat lines and picks QB1 as a better QB has lost their minds.


Efficientcy does not = who's better. Passer rating = efficiency.

(09-30-2015, 02:11 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: And you actually think that they should even be close to each other? Lol Ok. I guess football isn't about scoring points and it's about who is more efficient. One QB has 1700 more yards 8 more TDs and 2 less INTs and only 1% less completion percentage, and he has a lower passer rating. Anyone who is shown those two stat lines and picks QB1 as a better QB has lost their minds.


Efficientcy does not = who's better. Passer rating = efficiency.

(09-30-2015, 03:32 PM)djs7685 Wrote: How often do inefficient football teams score points compared to the efficient ones?

How often do inefficient passing performances lead to winning games compared to efficient ones?

Your crusade against passer rating is just getting absurd.

(09-30-2015, 03:24 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Because he had to throw the ball a billion more times. Volume passer =/= who's better. Who gets the most out of what they do = who's better. I.E., efficiency. 

(09-30-2015, 05:28 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Whats better in football? Scoring more points or scoring points more efficient?

Plus look up the phrase diminishing returns.

(09-30-2015, 04:07 PM)jj22 Wrote: Dalton won offensive player of the month in October of 2013 for a reason (4 game stretch, 115+ rating, 9+ ypa) not the current 3 game run he is on). With a 11-3 td int rate.

Perfect example of fans listening to the national media and thinking Dalton has never played this well. He has.

Dalton is going to have to play well longer than this 3 game stretch to make me believe he's turned the corner. Until then, I've (unlike some I guess) seen him play well and make throws. We did average 40 points per game or something like that at home in 2013. So he was making throws and putting up numbers believe it or not.

Now were exactly did you see the bs?

And as always Dj we know the rules. Wins are on the team. Losses are on Dalton. The fact remains only 4 teams have made the playoffs back to back to back to back years, maybe it's time for the national media to pick on the qb's of the other 28 teams.

(09-30-2015, 06:13 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Scoring efficiently.
Inefficient scoring is erratic 
Means you are unreliable week to week and may also be contributing to the scoring of the other team. 

(09-30-2015, 06:35 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: In 2013 Seattle had a much more efficient offense than New England, but New England scored more points. So you would have taken Seattles offense over NEs in 2013?