(05-20-2020, 07:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's almost as if they feel like Joe and Gio aren't threats to catch the ball and gain yardage..

(05-20-2020, 10:12 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I agree it's mostly on Taylor, but Taylor is still controlling playcalling duty in 2020 so there's no reason to expect it to improve.

(05-20-2020, 10:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, to the best of my football knowledge, RBs can turn into receiving targets on a very high percentage of passing plays called.  At some point, you have to question weather the QB was too busy staring down field, in order to see the potential YAC in throwing short to the RB.  

(05-20-2020, 08:02 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Lions @ 6 and the Falcons @ 13???

Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley makes the Lions duo of Kenny Galladay and Marvin Jones look like they're running out Jim Abbott and Rocky Dennis from Mask as their 1/2.

I really find it hard to believe that Danny Amendola in the slot, and/or slightly better receiving backs is going to elevate them that far ahead.  And the Falcons did replace Hooper with Hayden Hurst who looks to at least be a competent option at TE.  It's not like he's Daniel Coates.

And as much as it pains me to say this, the Browns are way too low on this list.  That piece of human garbage Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landy matches up with any duo in the league. They just signed Austin Hooper and still have Njoku too.  And Kareem Hunt is a pretty good receiving back.

To be completely honest, I find it hard to argue they shouldn't be in the top 3.  I mean, you can knock that midget they have at QB, or that city is a dumpster of sadness and smells like a giant Arby's, but there's no way their receiving options are that low.

(05-20-2020, 10:38 PM)jason Wrote: They must've watched one of our games...

We all know they can, but they don't. So they are nothing more than threats outta the backfield. They certainly aren't factors in the passing game.

(05-20-2020, 11:03 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Not if the OC has assigned them to pass block because Trey Hopkins is your best OL.

I admittedly don't know the numbers for how often the Bengals used a RB to block on passing plays compared to other teams, though.

(05-20-2020, 11:08 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: I had blocked stone hands from my memory. Worst Bengals TE ever. 

(05-20-2020, 11:10 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: True, but Dalton couldn't throw a screen pass or a swing pass to save his life. He had his strengths, but the short game was not one of them. 

(05-20-2020, 10:12 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't disagree with any of you three on this. Gio and Mixon CAN be a potent receiving threat. Potential and reality are two different things, though.

I agree it's mostly on Taylor, but Taylor is still controlling playcalling duty in 2020 so there's no reason to expect it to improve. Doubly so since they are hopefully getting AJ back and adding a 2nd round WR. If the RBs can't get targets in Taylor's offense when there's a bad WR group, I doubt they get significantly more with a better WR group.

Even with both of their 2019 receiving yards combined, there were still 5 RBs who had more yards on their own, and no doubt that number would increase quite a bit if you did RB duos. Gio and Mixon only combined for 521 yards receiving in 2019. In 2013, Gio had 514 receiving yards on his own.

(05-20-2020, 11:10 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: True, but Dalton couldn't throw a screen pass or a swing pass to save his life. He had his strengths, but the short game was not one of them. 

(05-20-2020, 09:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Could be because the QB was garbage and still with had 2 RBs in the top 35 of a 32 team league. To suggest Joe and Gio are not threats out of the backfield is silly. 

TE's are terrible 

(05-20-2020, 10:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: These ratings are usually based on potential. Just look at the team ranked just above the Bengals. 

(05-20-2020, 11:17 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Why don't you expect the play calling to be better?

(05-20-2020, 07:05 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: "Unlike most situations highly drafted quarterbacks find themselves in, Joe Burrow will actually have weapons to throw to in Cincinnati next season. A.J. Green has struggled to stay healthy of late, but he is one of the game’s elite when he’s at 100 percent — he has recorded grades of 80.0 or higher in each season he has played in since 2012. Tyler Boyd, Tee Higgins and John Ross form a strong supporting cast, as well, and all bring their own strengths to the table. The big question with Cincinnati’s offense is the offensive line, but if that group can manage to hold up, Burrow could impress with this receiving corps early in his career."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-nfl-season-receiving-corps-rankings

(05-21-2020, 10:33 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: When I saw the teams at the top, I was puzzled.  Then I realized that they were talking about "receiving corps", including TEs.  Otherwise, no f'n way is Tampa #1...they still shouldn't be. 

 

(05-20-2020, 11:15 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That and having so many passes batted down were the most frustrating parts of his game.

(05-21-2020, 11:39 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I mean, it's not that crazy to have them at #1 in either scenario, is it?  And if you're adamant they're not, how are they not 2? 

Receivers Alone...

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin combined for just shy of 2,500 yards and 17 TD's last season.  Both finished in the top 15 in the league in yardage. And Even more remarkable, they accomplished this with Evans missing 3 games, and Godwin missing 2.  If you look at their game logs their production was off the charts good. 

I think you'd be lying to yourself if you said you could come with 3 stronger duos than those two.


Group as a whole...


This is what really seperates them.  When you couple that duo above, whether you rank them at 1, or 2, or 3, with their tight ends they really stand out.

Their TE group is as follows... Rob Gronkowski, OJ Howard, Cameron Brate.

That is a ridiculous group of Tight Ends.  Even before the addition of Gronk, Howard and Brate were an above average group.  People forget that Howard was a first round pick that had all the signs of developing into an elite talent before he fell off last year.  He had a pretty damn good second season that was cut short by injury (565 yards, 5 TD's in only 9.5 games.

Cameron Brate is no slouch either.  As a 3rd TE he's unbelieveable, and better than anyone we have.  The man posted a 660 yard 8 TD season in which he only started 10 games. Proving not to be a one off, he followed it up with a 591 yard, 6 TD season in which he started only 6 games.  These are monster numbers for a Tight End who shares duties.

Then you throw in a 22 year old Ronald Jones, who was a HIGH 2nd round pick at running back, who posted a respectable 31 catches and 309 yards, in a running back by committee, to round out the group. It's now his job to take over as Peyton Barber is gone.

Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Rob Gronkowski... That's one heckuva a trio.  Can you name one better?  Two better?  Cuz I can't.

They're so damn loaded with weapons I have to type them out one more time just to further drive home the point:

Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Rob Gronkowski
OJ Howard
Cameron Brate
Ronald Jones II

I really don't understand how you think it's so strange to have this group at the top.  And it's even more strange to say "there's no f'n way" their receivers aren't #1, as if it's such a far off rank.  I'd love to see you list out better groups and your reasoning. Cuz this is a treasure trove of weapons.

(05-21-2020, 12:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Dalton is generally no where near the top of the league in passed batted down.

Another case of fans seeing something happen to their own QB but not noticing when it happens to opponents.  Kind of like thinking that every other QB does not struggle to complete deep passes.