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Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - GMDino - 02-03-2021 How it started: https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/florida-legislature-proposes-strip-first-amendment-rights-protestors-2021-01-07/ Note I'd imagine this is *slightly* biased but the link to the bills is there so I used it. Quote:Florida Legislature Proposes to Strip First Amendment Rights of Protestors More: https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/politics/state/2020/09/22/dems-desantis-protest-proposal-attack-1st-amendment-rights/3496529001/ Quote:TALLAHASSEE --- Gov. Ron DeSantis suggested Tuesday that the Republican-dominated Legislature could consider a controversial proposal aimed at cracking down on disorderly protests when lawmakers return to Tallahassee in November for an organization session, as Democrats declared war on what they decried as a racially motivated election-year ploy. How it's going: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1356700022109179904.html [/url] Quote:#Thread @GovRonDeSantis Announcing Steps The State Of Florida Will Take To Deal With Big Tech[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.84)][url=https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1356700022109179904.html#][/color] All the videos of Desantis whining are at the link. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - NATI BENGALS - 02-03-2021 Your god damn right. I will force feed you donald trump tweets until you assault the capital. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 What would be funny if "Big Tech" simply disabled access to their sites in the state of Florida. If they refuse to do business in Florida it will crush Florida's economy. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 12:07 PM)Au165 Wrote: What would be funny if "Big Tech" simply disabled access to their sites in the state of Florida. If they refuse to do business in Florida it will crush Florida's economy. Yeah, let's let corporations have an outsized influence on our government, what's the worst that could happen? Funny indeed. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 12:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, let's let corporations have an outsized influence on our government, what's the worst that could happen? I mean citizens united already gave corporations an outsized influence on government. This is merely allowing a business to decide who they do or don't service, which last time I checked was in fact their right. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 12:22 PM)Au165 Wrote: I mean citizens united already gave corporations an outsized influence on government. This is merely allowing a business to decide who they do or don't service, which last time I checked was in fact their right. Is it a business's right not to make a cake for a gay couple? I'm not trying to start a thing here, but what you advocated sounds like the start of something ominous. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 12:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Is it a business's right not to make a cake for a gay couple? I'm not trying to start a thing here, but what you advocated sounds like the start of something ominous. Is being gay a protected class? Refusing service to someone based on something that falls under a protected class is different than a blanket refusal of service to everyone regardless of class. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 12:37 PM)Au165 Wrote: Is being gay a protected class? Refusing service to someone based on something that falls under a protected class is different than a blanket refusal of service to everyone regardless of class. I am aware. What you're advocating is essentially for business to dictate what political party can be in power in order for them to supply a service. If this actually started happening it should be nipped in the bud, immediately. The ramifications of that type of action are far too serious. You'll note that I'm not making any distinction between political parties when I say this. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:00 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I am aware. What you're advocating is essentially for business to dictate what political party can be in power in order for them to supply a service. If this actually started happening it should be nipped in the bud, immediately. The ramifications of that type of action are far too serious. You'll note that I'm not making any distinction between political parties when I say this. It didn't start happening, that is another disinformation campaign. This is all, these laws, are based on a false narrative being pushed that "big tech" is pushing back against conservatives. New NYU research shows claims of conservative censorship in "big tech" is false and actually another disinformation campaign. This is a law based on a false narrative that didn't occur. The companies are free to operate where they want and reject who they want as long as they are not a protected class. Telling a company they HAVE to serve someone because of who they are, not a class but their job, is a slippery slope you simply can't start down. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - GMDino - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 12:07 PM)Au165 Wrote: What would be funny if "Big Tech" simply disabled access to their sites in the state of Florida. If they refuse to do business in Florida it will crush Florida's economy. Besides being probably unconstitutional I'm reading that there is a problem that is unenforceable given that those companies are not based in Florida. More to the point Desantis seems to think protests need to be stopped when he disagrees with them but private companies can't control what is on their sites. ie: He's a Republican. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: Besides being probably unconstitutional I'm reading that there is a problem that is unenforceable given that those companies are not based in Florida. Yea, this probably falls under federal jurisdiction because of interstate commerce. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:10 PM)Au165 Wrote: It didn't start happening, that is another disinformation campaign. This is all, these laws, are based on a false narrative being pushed that "big tech" is pushing back against conservatives. New NYU research shows claims of conservative censorship in "big tech" is false and actually another disinformation campaign. You're now changing the argument. However, I am pleased we both agree that what you originally advocated for should not happen. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're now changing the argument. However, I am pleased we both agree that what you originally advocated for should not happen. No, the argument hasn't changed there is no bias in politics occurring however the person who has pushed this law has stated there is and specifically towards Conservatives, which is a false statement and part of a disinformation campaign. Also, I am still advocating that businesses should be able to operate how they choose where they choose. They should be able to reject any customer they like based on anything that isn't a protected class. Now, do we want to make political affiliation a protected class? I think that is an interesting argument. Edited: to add the piece on political affiliation. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: No, the argument hasn't changed there is no bias in politics occurring however the person who has pushed this law has stated there is and specifically towards Conservatives, which is a false statement and part of a disinformation campaign. I don't disagree with this, but you stated it would be "funny" if big tech started to refuse to do business with the state of Florida. I pointed out how horrible an idea this was. If you're backing off that then we're good. Quote:Also, I am still advocating that businesses should be able to operate how they choose where they choose. They should be able to reject any customer they like based on anything that isn't a protected class. You're making a good case to make political affiliation a protected class, something I don't think either of us believe should happen. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Au165 - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't disagree with this, but you stated it would be "funny" if big tech started to refuse to do business with the state of Florida. I pointed out how horrible an idea this was. If you're backing off that then we're good. It would be funny because of the lack of foresight into the ramifications of trying to tell the business, which they don't have oversight over, how they have to operate. I actually just added that somewhere else that it's an interesting topic to discuss. If we think political affiliation may be weaponized as rhetoric gets ratcheted up maybe it's a discussion worth having? RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 01:43 PM)Au165 Wrote: It would be funny because of the lack of foresight into the ramifications of trying to tell the business, which they don't have oversight over, how they have to operate. It's already started and I agree. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Forever Spinning Vinyl - 02-03-2021 I find it hilarious that Big Tech is making a stand against the spreading of false information and Conservatives view it as an attack on them. This tells a Hell of a lot more about Conservatives than it does about Big Tech. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Belsnickel - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 03:13 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: I find it hilarious that Big Tech is making a stand against the spreading of false information and Conservatives view it as an attack on them. The problem is, and I mentioned this before, is that Republicans are more apt to spread misinformation than Democrats. Not saying Democrats don't do it, just that Republicans are more apt to. Facebook noted this at one point, saying that if they applied the rules strictly and objectively, it would still result in right-leaning users being affected at a higher rate. If they want to stop being shut down on the social media platforms, then maybe they should stop lying. Just a thought. RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - GMDino - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The problem is, and I mentioned this before, is that Republicans are more apt to spread misinformation than Democrats. Not saying Democrats don't do it, just that Republicans are more apt to. Facebook noted this at one point, saying that if they applied the rules strictly and objectively, it would still result in right-leaning users being affected at a higher rate. Why do you hate freedom?!?! RE: Ron Desantis and the 1st Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2021 (02-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The problem is, and I mentioned this before, is that Republicans are more apt to spread misinformation than Democrats. Not saying Democrats don't do it, just that Republicans are more apt to. Facebook noted this at one point, saying that if they applied the rules strictly and objectively, it would still result in right-leaning users being affected at a higher rate. I don't disagree with your general point. I will say that social media platforms do not enforce their ToS's in an equitable manner. I really wish I could find the article, but for a period of about six months a guy flagged tweets that berated men, heterosexuals and white people. In every instance the tweet was found not to be in violation of the ToS (he posted the e-mails from Twitter saying this as well as links to the still active tweet). He then, using several different accounts, posted the exact same tweets, only replacing men with women, heterosexuals with homosexuals or transgenders, and white with several other ethnicities. In every instance his tweet was taken down within days and his accounts suspended. Now, I am fully aware that the guy could have been cherry picking, but he sourced his article very well with links and archived tweets he made that were deleted. Hell, Jack flat out stated Twitter has a liberal bias. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/08/19/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-admits-left-leaning-bias-says-it-doesnt-influence-company-policy/ |