(02-24-2021, 06:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: Florida population:

353.4 people per square mile


In terms of population density, Florida has a surface area of 65,755 square miles (170,304 square kilometers). Based on estimates, that equates to 353.4 people per square mile, (136.4 per square kilometer) and that makes it the eighth most densely populated state in the US.


New York Population:

27,000 people per square mile


New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile. Over 3 million of New York City's residents are foreign-born; over one-quarter arrived in 2000 or later. Nearly 2 million New Yorkers are under the age of 18.

(02-24-2021, 08:57 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Did you just compare an entire state to a city?  (I'm honestly not sure, maybe I'm reading this wrong)

(02-24-2021, 08:57 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Did you just compare an entire state to a city?  (I'm honestly not sure, maybe I'm reading this wrong)

His point was that, while Florida has areas that aren't as densely populated, they do have heavily populated cities that make up the majorty of their population.  In order: Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, St. Petersberg, Hialeah.  All in the top 100 in the US in terms of most populated cities.


And I've said this point before, but we keep returning to the same comparison. (Florida vs. New York)  I understand OP has mentioned this but this thread has gone for 5 pages, with many posters having different discussions.  So why are we so hung up on only using New York to show Florida's failures?

How about we tackle one of the other 2 dozen states that have fared worse?  Because you can't continue rolling out population density for each and every one of them.

I'll say it again, if Florida's approach was as bad as people have painted out to be, reckless and irresponsible, to the point of their death totals being solely placed on DeSantis' hands in this thread, then they should be way up on the leaderboard in pretty much every Covid related category there is. 

If he/they have done such a terrible job then the numbers should clearly demonstrat that.  But they really don't, do they?  I'm sorry, they just don't.

Fwiw, I'm not a big DeSantis guy, nor would I describe myself as a Republican.  I just think people are going to extreme lengths to paint this dude as a monster, not at all driven by actual data but by hyperpartisan bs.

(02-24-2021, 01:40 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I mean making people think they are going to die or kill someone by not wearing a mask (outside for some people) when the chance of actually dying from covid is zero is BS.

I believe Covid is not going anywhere.  I believe we need to let it run it's course and hope we can build immunity as a species.  I do not believe wearing a mask constantly and locking everything down makes sense or is the solution.

(02-24-2021, 06:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, it is in line with "my body, my choice"..  

(02-24-2021, 10:52 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d rather not let a species jumping rapidly mutating virus that we still don’t fully understand spread unabated.

Do we think Cuomo is the only politician who fudged the numbers when it came to the virus? I don’t. I do know Florida’s economy is extremely dependent on tourism.

(02-24-2021, 10:52 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d rather not let a species jumping rapidly mutating virus that we still don’t fully understand spread unabated.

Do we think Cuomo is the only politician who fudged the numbers when it came to the virus? I don’t. I do know Florida’s economy is extremely dependent on tourism.

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Cuomo is a corrupt, lying asshole trying to cover his ass because he is so incredibly stupid and incompetent he forced covid positive patients back into nursing homes.  So ya, I do  think he is the only one that has or needs to fudge numbers.

(02-24-2021, 02:47 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: That's emotional.  

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Ya, ok.  500k deaths in 15 months.  Almost all of those deaths elderly or with underlying conditions.  People are not just dropping dead.

I'm sorry you cannot see that this was overblown for political purposes.

(02-24-2021, 02:47 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: That's emotional.  

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Let me put this in perspective.  NYC has a population of 19M.   Out of the ENTIRE USA and over a 15 month period, covid has killed 1/38th of NYC!!!!!!!!!!

(02-24-2021, 02:47 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: That's emotional.  

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I suck at math, so I won't attempt this again, and GMDino won't answer the question cause it will look really bad, but what is the % of people who have died over 15 months from covid out of the entire 350M population?  Also, what is the % of healthy people who have died from covid over the last 15 months out of the 350M pop?

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: But ya, run around all terrified like death is just around the corner with your little covid masks that probably save almost no one and social distance pretending it actually helps much.

(02-24-2021, 02:47 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: That's emotional.  

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Just for the record, my opinions are not politically based.  It's what I see around me and the numbers after 15 months of this overblown BS.

(02-25-2021, 10:23 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I'm sorry you cannot see that this was overblown for political purposes.

(02-24-2021, 02:47 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: That's emotional.  

(02-25-2021, 10:33 AM)GMDino Wrote:

















Had we done proper testing, especially early on when the POTUS and his administration were saying it would be gone soon, we might have a better answer for that.

But I'll give you one more, simple math example:

Person A and Person B both get Covid.  Person A dies.  The death rate is 50% (1 divided by 2) NOT 1 divided by 350,000,000 people who *might* get covid.














Really?  Because in the same post you said:




So....

(02-25-2021, 10:52 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: You are not doing very good today.  Nothing I said was emotional.  It was either fact, or what I believe to be fact.  I wasn't crying about the kids Obama put in cages.

(02-25-2021, 10:52 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: So you won't answer my math questions.  Got it.  You make up hypotheticals instead.

(02-25-2021, 10:52 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Here's one for ya.  High crime area scumbag kills cop cause "police brutality" promoted by many Dems.  Death rate 100%

(02-24-2021, 02:47 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: That's emotional. 

(02-25-2021, 10:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: Every post was opinion...emotional.



I answered the question.  You ignoring it doesn't make your statement true.

(02-25-2021, 11:20 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: what I believe to be fact.

(02-24-2021, 08:57 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Did you just compare an entire state to a city?  (I'm honestly not sure, maybe I'm reading this wrong)

His point was that, while Florida has areas that aren't as densely populated, they do have heavily populated cities that make up the majorty of their population.  In order: Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, St. Petersberg, Hialeah.  All in the top 100 in the US in terms of most populated cities.


And I've said this point before, but we keep returning to the same comparison. (Florida vs. New York)  I understand OP has mentioned this but this thread has gone for 5 pages, with many posters having different discussions.  So why are we so hung up on only using New York to show Florida's failures?

How about we tackle one of the other 2 dozen states that have fared worse?  Because you can't continue rolling out population density for each and every one of them.

I'll say it again, if Florida's approach was as bad as people have painted out to be, reckless and irresponsible, to the point of their death totals being solely placed on DeSantis' hands in this thread, then they should be way up on the leaderboard in pretty much every Covid related category there is. 

If he/they have done such a terrible job then the numbers should clearly demonstrat that.  But they really don't, do they?  I'm sorry, they just don't.

Fwiw, I'm not a big DeSantis guy, nor would I describe myself as a Republican.  I just think people are going to extreme lengths to paint this dude as a monster, not at all driven by actual data but by hyperpartisan bs.

(02-25-2021, 11:21 AM)Au165 Wrote: ...That's an opinion. 

(02-25-2021, 11:36 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Yes, I get that, but he was saying I was being emotional.  I was not.  I was simply stating facts or what I believe to be facts (opinion).

(02-25-2021, 11:38 AM)Au165 Wrote: I get that, but once you have crossed from facts over to opinions then they are usually shaped in some way by emotion. There is a negative connotation around using "emotional" but there is some emotion tied to it hence why you feel strong in your opinions about things. 

Not trying to get in the middle here just trying to translate a bit between the two of you rather than you guys arguing over a semantics issue for the next three pages.

(02-24-2021, 08:57 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: His point was that, while Florida has areas that aren't as densely populated, they do have heavily populated cities that make up the majorty of their population.  In order: Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, St. Petersberg, Hialeah.  All in the top 100 in the US in terms of most populated cities.

(02-24-2021, 04:59 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote:  I watched my mom wither away until she stopped breathing from cancer and it happened in 7 weeks.  Suck it up buttercup!  Life sucks sometimes.

(02-24-2021, 04:59 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: 655k die from heart disease each year.  Let's ban "bad" food, ciggys, alcohol and have gov't mandated exercise cause safety.  I am actually surprised that the number isn't much higher than that with the enormous amount of out of shape, fat slobs we have running around this country.

(02-25-2021, 05:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And you would have no problem if you found that her cancer was caused by someone dumping toxic waste in her drinking water?  You would not be in favor of a regulation controlling how people dispose of carcinogenic chemicals?

And obviously you don't think there should be any measures taken against the lab in China or the Chinese government that some people claim for originally spreading this virus.  Can't be in favor of taking away any of their freedoms can we.



People do not absorb bad food, alcohol, or large amounts of cigarette smoke just by going to the store.  Instead they make a choice to ingest that stuff.  That is entirely different from people being exposed to covid just because some assholes are so selfish that they think their "freedom" allows them to hurt other people.


Goes back to my claim that some people feel they should be "free" to drink and drive because this is a "free country"