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Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Au165 - 02-23-2021 This is pretty awesome to see. The judge should be able, as is the case here, to detain people who are actually threats, but the reality is people should not be held before their trial unless it is absolutely paramount to the community's safety. Quote:Gov. J.B. Pritzker on Monday signed a number of sweeping criminal justice and police reforms into law, which includes eliminating cash bail for pretrial detainees. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - fredtoast - 02-23-2021 Kentucky actually has a very lenient policy on bond. I will look up the exact details, but I know they don't require cash bond for a lot of charges. BTW technology will eventually have a huge impact on pre-trail release. Once the cost of monitoring defendants with ankle bracelets or chips becomes more affordable that will become the new normal. It would be MUCH more effective than any cash bond system. Courts would rather know where the defendant is than just get his money when he fails to appear for trial. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-23-2021 (02-23-2021, 09:58 AM)Au165 Wrote: This is pretty awesome to see. The judge should be able, as is the case here, to detain people who are actually threats, but the reality is people should not be held before their trial unless it is absolutely paramount to the community's safety. I have zero issue with this as long as the number of people remanded is raised significantly. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-24-2021 Sounds good, as long as the Judges are held accountable for the persons actions if said Judge decides the detainee is "not a threat". RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Au165 - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 01:11 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Sounds good, as long as the Judges are held accountable for the persons actions if said Judge decides the detainee is "not a threat". Are they held accountable now if the person is released on bail and they harm someone? The only change here now is the amount of money a person has does not determine if they are let out or not. If we believe people are innocent until proven guilty then the barrier to keep people in jail until their trial should be a VERY high standard to hit. If they don't present a clear physical danger to the community they should maintain their right to freedom until it's proven in court they are guilty of a crime. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Goalpost - 02-24-2021 I sort of have problem with this because a lot of people that face a judge are repeat offenders. I'd be more inclined to be in approval for a first time offense. If you are a repeat offender what have you disproven about yourself. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 01:15 PM)Au165 Wrote: Are they held accountable now if the person is released on bail and they harm someone? The only change here now is the amount of money a person has does not determine if they are let out or not. If we believe people are innocent until proven guilty then the barrier to keep people in jail until their trial should be a VERY high standard to hit. If they don't present a clear physical danger to the community they should maintain their right to freedom until it's proven in court they are guilty of a crime. Ya, good point. Wasn't thinking on that one. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 01:15 PM)Au165 Wrote: Are they held accountable now if the person is released on bail and they harm someone? The only change here now is the amount of money a person has does not determine if they are let out or not. If we believe people are innocent until proven guilty then the barrier to keep people in jail until their trial should be a VERY high standard to hit. If they don't present a clear physical danger to the community they should maintain their right to freedom until it's proven in court they are guilty of a crime. Sounds good in theory, but that's not what's happening in practice. Violent criminals are being let go on a regular basis in places like Chicago and NYC, all while violent crime rates rise dramatically. What could possibly go wrong? A prohibitively high bail is essentially the same as remanding someone, so if you replaced cash bail with a higher instance of remanding then I'm fine with it. Especially for repeat offenders. I had a case in which a guy mugged a pregnant woman, literally punched her in the face and kicked her to the ground. The guy was out less than five hours later. Imagine being the husband of that woman and seeing that guy (they both lived in the same area) on the street after what he did to your wife. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 01:49 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sounds good in theory, but that's not what's happening in practice. Violent criminals are being let go on a regular basis in places like Chicago and NYC, all while violent crime rates rise dramatically. What could possibly go wrong? And in that instance you are setting up a law abiding citizen to commit assault and become a criminal. I don't think I have a single guy friend who wouldn't act on that in a second if he saw that dude and that is if they didn't seek him out. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 03:00 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: And in that instance you are setting up a law abiding citizen to commit assault and become a criminal. I don't think I have a single guy friend who wouldn't act on that in a second if he saw that dude and that is if they didn't seek him out. You literally took the words out of the husband's mouth. I congratulated him on his restraint, not sure I could have reigned myself in in that situation. Hopefully I'll never have to find out. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - fredtoast - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 03:00 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I don't think I have a single guy friend who wouldn't act on that in a second if he saw that dude. (02-24-2021, 03:12 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: not sure I could have reigned myself in in that situation. Wait, what? I thought all gunowners were "law abiding" and "harmless" except in cases of self-defense. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Wait, what? Where in the !@#$ did you see anything about a weapon??????? RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 05:09 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Where in the !@#$ did you see anything about a weapon??????? Fred is dishonest and will always try and make it seem like you said something you did not. Save yourself the angst and don't bother ever responding to him. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-24-2021 (02-24-2021, 05:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Fred is dishonest and will always try and make it seem like you said something you did not. Save yourself the angst and don't bother ever responding to him. Tru dat. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - michaelsean - 02-25-2021 Seems good in theory at least. I’ve always had a problem with innocent until proven guilty but still in jail, but I couldn’t think of the alternative. The judge having the authority to jail serious threats seems a good way to go. I guess we will have to see how it works out. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Au165 - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 11:38 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Seems good in theory at least. I’ve always had a problem with innocent until proven guilty but still in jail, but I couldn’t think of the alternative. The judge having the authority to jail serious threats seems a good way to go. I guess we will have to see how it works out. Fred kind of mentioned it earlier but advancements in tracking will be the real answer here. The cost of the tech is coming down rapidly as the proliferation of more robust cellular networks comes along. I think in the next few years you will see the majority of places move to release most of those charged with crimes with smaller less cumbersome ankle monitors. The tech is getting to a point where you can almost use them as single-use devices and if guilty the criminal has to pay for it in court fees. The problem now though is that the fees they are charging are insane and not reflective of the actual cost to use. That is something that will need to be addressed before widespread adoption can take hold. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 11:46 AM)Au165 Wrote: Fred kind of mentioned it earlier but advancements in tracking will be the real answer here. The cost of the tech is coming down rapidly as the proliferation of more robust cellular networks comes along. I think in the next few years you will see the majority of places move to release most of those charged with crimes with smaller less cumbersome ankle monitors. The tech is getting to a point where you can almost use them as single-use devices and if guilty the criminal has to pay for it in court fees. Do these monitoring devices keep the person from re-offending while they are out on the street? Will the monitoring device keep the guy who was let out after 5 hours for beating and robbing a pregnant woman from doing it again? RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Au165 - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 11:54 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Do these monitoring devices keep the person from re-offending while they are out on the street? No, but neither does bail. Hence why if someone should qualify to be released on bail they should qualify to be released without it. The idea of bail is to ensure they return to stand trial not prevent someone from committing another crime. If they are believed to be high risk then they should not be released period, bail or not. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Mickeypoo - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 11:57 AM)Au165 Wrote: No, but neither does bail. Hence why if someone should qualify to be released on bail they should qualify to be released without it. The idea of bail is to ensure they return to stand trial not prevent someone from committing another crime. If they are believed to be high risk then they should not be released period, bail or not. Fair enough point. RE: Illinois Becomes First State to Commit to Eliminating Cash Bail - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 11:57 AM)Au165 Wrote: No, but neither does bail. Hence why if someone should qualify to be released on bail they should qualify to be released without it. The idea of bail is to ensure they return to stand trial not prevent someone from committing another crime. If they are believed to be high risk then they should not be released period, bail or not. A remanding order is very difficult to obtain under the current system. This is why I'd support this type of measure if it saw a commensurate rise in remands, but we won't. |