![]() |
Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Printable Version +- Cincinnati Bengals Message Board / Forums - Home of Jungle Noise (http://thebengalsboard.com) +-- Forum: Off Topic Forums (http://thebengalsboard.com/Forum-Off-Topic-Forums) +--- Forum: Politics & Religion 2.0 (http://thebengalsboard.com/Forum-Politics-Religion-2-0) +--- Thread: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ (/Thread-Gov-Pedro-Pierluisi-%E2%80%98Puerto-Rico-will-be-the-first-truly-Hispanic-state%E2%80%99) |
Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - GMDino - 03-05-2021 Well is there is a majority for it and they can find a way to do it this might really be happening. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gov-pedro-pierluisi-e2-80-98puerto-rico-will-be-the-first-truly-hispanic-state-e2-80-99/ar-BB1efupw Quote:SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Puerto Rico Gov. Pedro Pierluisi traveled to Washington, D.C., this week to meet with White House officials and advocate for a new bill that charts a path toward statehood for the American territory. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Dill - 03-06-2021 (03-05-2021, 08:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well is there is a majority for it and they can find a way to do it this might really be happening. Would like to hear the full debate first, including that between pro and con Puerto Ricans. But sounds like a good idea. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-06-2021 Already said it once, but the fact that the USA is still owning colonies like Puerto Rico kinda undermines this whole beacon of democracy idea a bit. US citizens with no right to vote, facing taxation without representation. And getting mocked at presidential elections by meaningless ballots put in place. Look, you can vote, it just means nothing and we don't care. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - jason - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 11:22 AM)hollodero Wrote: Already said it once, but the fact that the USA is still owning colonies like Puerto Rico kinda undermines this whole beacon of democracy idea a bit. Clears his throat... We prefer to call them "territories". RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 11:43 AM)jason Wrote: Clears his throat... Oh I'm so sorry. What a cognitively imperfect term for me to use. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Goalpost - 03-06-2021 52.5 percent is pretty close to an even split. I'd prefer to see a larger majority in favor of this among Puerto Ricans themselves. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 12:19 PM)Goalpost Wrote: 52.5 percent is pretty close to an even split. I'd prefer to see a larger majority in favor of this among Puerto Ricans themselves. I find that interesting. You offer Option A and Option B in a democratic vote. A 52.5% majority of voters opts for Option A. And then the response is "well, there should be more than a 5% margin amongst you people. Hence it's option B for you, that makes more sense. Thanks for participating!" Yeah, that way Trump could have stayed president too. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Goalpost - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 12:38 PM)hollodero Wrote: I find that interesting. If you want to include personal as part of your own fact finding, that's your choice I guess. Nowhere did i mention or even think of Trump in my response. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 01:52 PM)Goalpost Wrote: If you want to include personal as part of your own fact finding, that's your choice I guess. Nowhere did i mention or even think of Trump in my response. You did not. I just wanted to show why i disagree with your objection. Could have used brexit as an example too. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Wes Mantooth - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 11:22 AM)hollodero Wrote: US citizens with no right to vote, facing taxation without representation. Most Puerto Ricans don't pay federal tax. The only people who do are people that don't live their year round, or people's whose income is from outside the territory (Someone from the US who works remotely for a company that is based in the States, or someone who is employeed by the US Government) RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 03:09 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Most Puerto Ricans don't pay federal tax. From wikipedia: Contrary to popular belief,[5] all Puerto Rico residents pay federal taxes, just as mainland Americans do. Specifically, the following federal taxes are paid by all residents of Puerto Rico: Customs taxes,[6][7][c] Federal commodity taxes,[9] and all payroll taxes, including: (a) Social Security taxes,[10] (b) Medicare taxes,[11] and Unemployment taxes: "Residents of Puerto Rico...are obliged to pay exactly the same Social Security and Medicare taxes that fellow U.S. citizens in the 50 states and the District must pay. For most of [Puerto Rico]'s wage-earners, moreover, those outlays far exceed the federal income-tax liabilities they would bear if Puerto Rico were a state."[12] Payment of Federal income taxes[edit] Contrary to common misconception,[13] residents of Puerto Rico do pay federal income taxes. [...It goes on to state that quite some Puerto Ricans don't pay income taxes due to living beyond the federal threshold] --- So I guess you're incorrect on that. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Wes Mantooth - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 03:39 PM)hollodero Wrote: From wikipedia: https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/irs/tax-law-and-policy/do-puerto-ricans-pay-us-taxes/ Right from the IRS... https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc901 If you're a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico during the entire tax year, you generally aren't required to file a U.S. federal income tax return if your only income is from sources within Puerto Rico. However, if you also have income from sources outside of Puerto Rico, including from U.S. sources, you're required to file a U.S. federal income tax return if such amount is above the U.S. filing threshold. Nevertheless, a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico with a U.S. filing obligation, generally won't report Puerto Rican source income on a U.S. income tax return. If you're a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico and can exclude your Puerto Rican source income on your U.S. income tax return, you must determine your return filing requirement based on the filing thresholds shown in the individual tax return instructions. For more information on who is considered a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico and how to determine the amount of income that requires filing a U.S. income tax return, refer to Publication 570 and Publication 1321 PDF. However, if you're a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico and a U.S. government employee, you must file a U.S. income tax return reporting all income received for performing services for the U.S. government, including services performed in Puerto Rico as a U.S. government employee. If you're a member of the U.S. Armed Forces or a civilian spouse of an active duty member of the U.S. Armed Forces, special income tax filing rules may apply to you. For more information, please refer to Publication 570 and Notice 2012-41. U.S. citizens and resident aliens who aren't bona fide residents of Puerto Rico during the entire tax year are required to report all income from worldwide sources on their U.S. income tax return. However, a U.S. citizen who changes residence from Puerto Rico, and who was a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico for the two years before changing residency, can exclude from his or her U.S. income tax return the Puerto Rican source income that is attributable to the part of the year he or she was a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico. Regardless of whether an individual is or isn't required to file a U.S. income tax return, the individual may have an obligation to file a return with the United States reporting self-employment income derived from a trade or business in Puerto Rico and/or elsewhere. Residents of Puerto Rico who aren't required to file a U.S. income tax return must file Note how my previous post started with and prefaced my statement with "most". RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - GMDino - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 03:39 PM)hollodero Wrote: From wikipedia: So the residents are like US corporations. They pay taxes but there is a loophole to some taxes. All the more reason to bring them into the fold. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-06-2021 (03-06-2021, 03:52 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Note how my previous post started with and prefaced my statement with "most". Duly noted. I take it most Puerto Ricans are not required to pay income tax. Didn't gather that from wikipedia, but so it appears. As far as I can tell, income tax is not all taxation a citizen faces though. (Eg. Custom taxes, commodity taxes, Social security taxes.) - I mean, I am really bad in US tax code, I have to admit as much. But imho these also qualify as being "taxation". And sure I used the taxation without representation phrase, I guess it somehow still applies, and even if most Puerto Ricans do not pay federal income tax I still think that's no valid reason to deny them a citizen's most basic rights, the right to vote; and the right to be represented in House and Senate. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Forever Spinning Vinyl - 03-07-2021 (03-06-2021, 11:22 AM)hollodero Wrote: Already said it once, but the fact that the USA is still owning colonies like Puerto Rico kinda undermines this whole beacon of democracy idea a bit. (03-06-2021, 11:43 AM)jason Wrote: Clears his throat... It's all about perspective. In World War II, the Germans used Prisoners Of War as "Slave Labor" in their labor camps. My German Grandfather that was a Prisoner Of War didn't have to be subjected to such a inglorious title as "Slave Laborer" in his two and a half years in an American labor camp because he was "Working Off His Debt To The American People". If Republicans weren't afraid of two more Democratic Senators being added(Same by Democrats if Puerto Rico was mostly Conservative), they would have been a state a long time ago along with Guam and American Samoa. I say go through the process of adding them if Republicans continue to keep pushing for voter suppression laws. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Wes Mantooth - 03-07-2021 (03-06-2021, 03:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: So the residents are like US corporations. They pay taxes but there is a loophole to some taxes. No, they're not like US corporations. Nor can you liken their tax code as to having similar loopholes. It's not that hard to understand. They do not pay income tax unless they're employed by the US governent, or they're not a full-time resident. The employers (not employees) do pay into social security, medicaid/medicare as citizens are eligible for these benefits. How can you bring about a term like loopholes when the vast majority of residents don't even have to file a tax return? RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Wes Mantooth - 03-07-2021 (03-07-2021, 12:45 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: It's all about perspective. I'm sorry, I'm not following how this story relates to Puerto Rico. Would you care to delve in a little deeper to explain the comparison? RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Wes Mantooth - 03-07-2021 (03-07-2021, 12:45 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: If Republicans weren't afraid of two more Democratic Senators being added(Same by Democrats if Puerto Rico was mostly Conservative), they would have been a state a long time ago along with Guam and American Samoa. I say go through the process of adding them if Republicans continue to keep pushing for voter suppression laws. I'd suggest you take a little bit of time to read up on the history of Puerto Rico, specifically after the Spanish American War. There was a push for statehood (from the US) for quite awhile in the early 20th century. Puerto Rico resisted, as they had been pushing for full autonomy for a long, long time. (Dating well back to when they were under Spanish rule) They were finally allowed to elect their own governors in the late 40's, and drafted their constitution and bill of rights in 1952. I'm pretty sure that's why you're still seeing a 50/50 split today. And I'm actually surprised statehood has that much support there. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - Wes Mantooth - 03-07-2021 (03-06-2021, 10:44 PM)hollodero Wrote: I still think that's no valid reason to deny them a citizen's most basic rights, the right to vote; They do vote. They have their own governement. ------------------------------------------------------------- Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth in association with the United States. The chief of state is the President of the United States of America. The head of government is an elected Governor. There are two legislative chambers: the House of Representatives, 51 seats, and the Senate, 27 seats. Puerto Rico has authority over its internal affairs. United States controls: interstate trade, foreign relations and commerce, customs administration, control of air, land and sea, immigration and emigration, nationality and citizenship, currency, maritime laws, military service, military bases, army, navy and air force, declaration of war, constitutionality of laws, jurisdictions and legal procedures, treaties, radio and television--communications, agriculture, mining and minerals, highways, postal system; Social Security, and other areas generally controlled by the federal government in the United States. Puerto Rican institutions control internal affairs unless U.S. law is involved, as in matters of public health and pollution. Executive The Executive Power is exercised by the Governor, who leads a cabinet conformed by the heads of the commonwealth's executive departments, who in turn must be ratified by the Legislature. The Governor is elected by popular vote for a four-year term (no term limits), which begins on the second day of January after the year of his election and ends on the date his successor takes office. In the case of the death, resignation, or removal, of the Governor, the Secretary of State of Puerto Rico succeeds the Governor. In case the Secretary of State is unwilling or unable to assume it, the Attorney General (or, as the position is known, the Justice Department Secretary) would assume the governorship, followed by the Secretary of Treasury. Legislature The Legislative Power resides in the Senate and in the House of Representatives. The Senate consists of 27 members, 2 per electoral district (8), and 11 elected according to the different districts proportion of population. Two extra seats are granted in each house to the opposition if necessary to limit any party's control to two thirds. The House of Representatives consists of 51 members, one per electoral district and 11 elected proportionally. Legislators are popularly elected to four-year terms. The bicameral legislature determines how to spend the island's tax revenue. Unless specifically stated, Puerto Rico is also subject to all laws and most regulations of the U.S. government, which sometimes cause jurisdictional problems. Most U.S. agencies are represented on the island. Judiciary The Judicial System is directed by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is formed by 7 judges (a chief justice and six associate justices) named by the Governor. The structure of the Judicial System includes a Court of Appeals, Superior Court, a District Court (civil & criminal), and Municipal Court. There are 12 judicial districts. The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico also has a district court comparable to those of the states of US. Each district court has at least one district judge and can have more than a score of district judges, as well as a clerk, a United States Attorney, a United States Marshall, one or more United States Magistrates, bankruptcy judges, probation officers, court reporters, and their staffs. The federal government, located in San Juan, is represented by 2 district judges and the procurator, who is named by the President of the United States. The Federal Court has final authority of the ELA. Capital San Juan is the capital of Puerto Rico and the most populous municipality in Puerto Rico, with a population of two million. The city was founded in 1508, by Juan Ponce de León. It is also Puerto Rico's main port of entry and has one of the best harbors in the Caribbean. San Juan is located on the north east of the island. Administrative Divisions None (Commonwealth associated with the U.S.); there are no first-order administrative divisions as defined by the U.S. Government, but Puerto Rico is divided into 78 "municipios" (municipalities). Each is governed by a popularly elected mayor and municipal assembly. The mayor appoints a secretary-auditor and a treasurer. Municipalities are further subdivided into barrios, and those into sectors. A municipality (municipio) is an administrative local area generally composed of a clearly defined territory and commonly referring to a city, town, or village government. In Puerto Rico, a municipality is a city and the government unit that is the primary legal subdivision; each municipality has an elected mayor. However, the Census Bureau treats the municipio as the statistical equivalent of a county. Other territories include: Mona (5,517 hectares), Monito (15 hectares), Desecheo (122 hectares), and Caja de Muertos (202 hectares). Numerous other small cays lie offshore of Puerto Rico. Mona and Monito are located between Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. These small islands are considered the Galápagos Islands of the Caribbean Sea. No other reef and offshore island habitat within U.S. jurisdiction possesses such ecological uniqueness, invaluable habitat, and biological diversity within such a reduced surface area. For these reasons, Mona and Monito Islands have been recognized by the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico as a Natural Reserve. The islands are a critical habitat of endangered marine turtles, sea birds and occasional migratory marine mammals. RE: Gov. Pedro Pierluisi: ‘Puerto Rico will be the first truly Hispanic state’ - hollodero - 03-07-2021 (03-07-2021, 11:46 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: They do vote. They have their own governement. In distinct politenenss, but: Oh, come on ![]() I note your counterpoint of them having a governor and a local governement with a certain amount of power that they can vote for. But imho, that is not the issue at hand. At all. And I doubt this would fly with any other state. Realism aside. If the US say took Wyoming out of the EC and sent their representatives in Congress home. Claiming now come on you people, you don't really pay much federal tax anyway, look at that number it's more of an embarrassment really... and we rather govern the US without you to be frank. - What are you people complaining about? You can still vote for your governor, for your mayors, for dogcatcher, for teacher of the year... so don't make a fuzz about being stripped of your fundamental rights as a citizen. You're still citizens, we'd just rather don't have your input on how to run this country. Would you accept that? |