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Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-16-2021 I'm sure all of us remember the absolutely nuclear story that Trump called the Georgia election investigator and threatened him to "find the fraud". Many here absolutely lost their mind over the call. It was used by the Dems to justify the second impeachment. Only problem is, the Washington Post completely shit the bed on the story and recently issued a lengthy retraction. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/543271-wapost-adds-lengthy-correction-to-story-on-trump-georgia-call "Trump did not tell the investigator to 'find the fraud' or say she would be 'a national hero' if she did so. Instead, Trump urged the investigator to scrutinize ballots in Fulton County, Ga., asserting she would find 'dishonesty' there. He also told her that she had 'the most important job in the country right now.'" The correction comes days after The Wall Street Journal obtained audio of the December call between Trump and the investigator. For those of who who consistently scoff at the idea that journalism has degenerated into something not worth paying attention to, this is a mistake so huge and so potentially earth shattering that it cannot be dismissed or minimized. This kind of thing will only fuel the accusations of bias and shoddy reporting, and rightly so. One also has to wonder if this correction would ever have been issued if the WSJ hadn't obtained the actual audio of the call. I may be a bit on the cynical side, but I'm leaning heavily into "not a chance" on that one. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Belsnickel - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 06:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm sure all of us remember the absolutely nuclear story that Trump called the Georgia election investigator and threatened him to "find the fraud". Many here absolutely lost their mind over the call. It was used by the Dems to justify the second impeachment. Only problem is, the Washington Post completely shit the bed on the story and recently issued a lengthy retraction. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall listening to the audio and hearing Trump asking the GA SoS to find the number of votes he needed to win Georgia. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 06:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall listening to the audio and hearing Trump asking the GA SoS to find the number of votes he needed to win Georgia. If he did, and I haven't listened to the audio, it was not done in the way reported. From what I'm reading Trump directed them to certain counties in which he believed that fraud had occurred. But I will defer to you in this regard as you've heard them. However, none of this addresses the egregious errors in the original article. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - TheUberHuber - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 06:54 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:(03-12-2021, 09:48 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I appreciate brownshoe’s comments. In that same vein, making ‘mail in’ voting more secure seems like the next logical step. But I don’t think that’s on the table. Regardless of nyt, the call was inappropriate and could be evidence in a criminal investigation. maybe actually listen to it before making a thread about it. Also, they made a correction, which is how journalism works. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 07:15 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: Regardless of nyt, the call was inappropriate and could be evidence in a criminal investigation. Or The Washington Post, which is what the article is about. Quote:maybe actually listen to it before making a thread about it. Also, they made a correction, which is how journalism works. Sound advice, too bad the people at The Washington Post didn't heed it. Quality post as always, btw. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - CJD - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 06:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm sure all of us remember the absolutely nuclear story that Trump called the Georgia election investigator and threatened him to "find the fraud". Many here absolutely lost their mind over the call. It was used by the Dems to justify the second impeachment. Only problem is, the Washington Post completely shit the bed on the story and recently issued a lengthy retraction. I think this may be a second call that was unearthed. I personally don't remember when it was released and never really looked into it. The call that was used in the impeachment was the one he had with Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia Secretary of State. This is the transcript of that call: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-trump-georgia-phone-call-transcript-20210104-ivcio2yuyfgm7onlm4vipxpmzu-htmlstory.html I don't know what's going on with this second call, but based on that transcript, I'm pretty sure the impeachment was accurate in its depiction of the conversation. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - TheUberHuber - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 07:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Or The Washington Post, which is what the article is about. It is not that different than what was actually said. Not sure how that is "earth shattering." But if it fits your narrative... RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - fredtoast - 03-16-2021 The transcript of the conversation has been available since Jan 2. Trump never used the term "find these votes", but he said basically the same thing with "work out these numbers". And he did not use the term "national hero" but instead "really respected. The Post was wrong not to use exact quotes, but it is not like the story was a blatant lie. It is just quibbling over semantics. Here is the direct quote. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html TRUMP: ". . . And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore I think that it is really important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know Brad that if you think we're right, I think you're going to say, and I'm not looking to blame anybody. I'm just saying you know, and, you know, under new counts, and under uh, new views, of the election results, we won the election. You know? It's very simple. We won the election." Earlier in the conversation Trump repeatedly accused Georgia Sec of State George Raffensperger of criminal activity. It was clearly an attempt to intimidate him. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 06:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall listening to the audio and hearing Trump asking the GA SoS to find the number of votes he needed to win Georgia. You're right. That's a different, longer call. https://www.vox.com/2021/3/16/22333805/washington-post-correction-trump-georgia Quote:On January 3, the Washington Post’s Amy Gardner broke the news that, in an hourlong recorded phone call, President Donald Trump repeatedly pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to somehow change the results in the state to deliver him a victory. The Post published the full audio and transcript of that call, and it received enormous media attention. Of course Trump is now claiming that the ENTIRE story was a "hoax" because now we know exactly what was said vs the original source. The new information is because they found a copy of the audio on a computer. So now we have actual wording which isn't that different than the original reports. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Recording-reveals-details-of-Trump-call-to-16018856.php Quote:The Washington Post reported on the substance of Trump's Dec. 23 call in January, describing him saying that Watson should "find the fraud" and that she would be a "national hero," based on an account from Jordan Fuchs, the deputy secretary of state, whom Watson briefed on his comments. In other words "journalism" reported on the story and as more information has come to light the specifics have been noted and changed. As good journalism should do. It's like a police officer doing an investigation and finding out new, better evidence and changing how they approach the event they are looking in to. Here is the transcript of the call. https://www.businessinsider.com/transcript-trump-pressures-another-georgia-elections-official-to-find-fraud-2021-3 The call from Trump was still uncalled for and he still sounds pitiful. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 08:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: In other words "journalism" reported on the story and as more information has come to light the specifics have been noted and changed. As good journalism should do. It's like a police officer doing an investigation and finding out new, better evidence and changing how they approach the event they are looking in to. No, it's not like that at all. When you quote someone and get it wrong that's a major error. There's also the issue with the retraction not being made until after the WSJ obtained the tapes. Now, your analogy would hold water if the police arrested someone with false information, quoting them as saying something they never said and then not owning it until a third party got ahold of the transcripts that proved the error. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 07:53 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: It is not that different than what was actually said. Not sure how that is "earth shattering." But if it fits your narrative... People are always trying to jump on corrections as proof that everything in the story was wrong. Trump did it too with this story. Attacking the media is the easiest way to get people to distrust the information out there...even when the media does their job and corrects any mistakes. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - fredtoast - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 08:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: You're right. That's a different, longer call. I did not know about this second conversation and story. But seems like the same thing as in my previous comments. The Post was wrong for using the wrong exact quote, but it did not really change the meaning of what he was saying. Post should be criticized, but there is nothing "huge and potentially earth shattering". The only place you will find that type of hyperbole is in the right-wing echo chamber. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-16-2021 (03-16-2021, 08:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I did not know about this second conversation and story. But seems like the same thing as in my previous comments. The Post was wrong for using the wrong exact quote, but it did not really change the meaning of what he was saying. Exactly. Corrections happen quite often. It's an admission of something done in error or that new information changed the story. But too often, as I said above, any mistake is used to say the entire story is "fake" or "overblown". Journalism certainly isn't a perfect science but that they do correct themselves says more about their honesty than anything else. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - TheUberHuber - 03-17-2021 (03-16-2021, 08:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: People are always trying to jump on corrections as proof that everything in the story was wrong. Trump did it too with this story. Yeah, he posted a thread about how journalism is dead. And then proceeded to give a literal example of how journalism works. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-17-2021 (03-17-2021, 12:55 AM)TheUberHuber Wrote: Yeah, he posted a thread about how journalism is dead. And then proceeded to give a literal example of how journalism works. I wasn't aware an example of journalism working was reporting erroneous quotes and then correcting them two months later after an independent party obtains proof you reported bullshit. Quite the journalistic standards you've got there. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - TheUberHuber - 03-17-2021 (03-17-2021, 01:01 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I wasn't aware an example of journalism working was reporting erroneous quotes and then correcting them two months later after an independent party obtains proof you reported bullshit. Quite the journalistic standards you've got there. First time huh... RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Vas Deferens - 03-17-2021 This is a really weird thread. Definitely heard daddy say some erroneous things and command GA officials to find votes. How does this second call negate any of that? RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - TheUberHuber - 03-17-2021 (03-17-2021, 01:01 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I wasn't aware an example of journalism working was reporting erroneous quotes and then correcting them two months later after an independent party obtains proof you reported bullshit. Quite the journalistic standards you've got there. This is the false premise. They were not erroneous at all. Pretty similar to what was actually said. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-17-2021 (03-17-2021, 02:13 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: This is a really weird thread. Definitely heard daddy say some erroneous things and command GA officials to find votes. How does this second call negate any of that? It doesn't. The thread is intended to denigrate all journalism because they admitted an error and corrected it when better information came out. Trump did the exact same thing calling the entire story a "hoax" and therefore invalidating his second impeachment. So it's not surprising to see others jump to his defense the same way. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - BmorePat87 - 03-17-2021 https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-official-clarifies-earlier-report-on-trump-call-to-a-georgia-investigator/WQPJG3F7MJEJ7EQJHLNVUEGYLY/ I remember a lot of responses to his call with the Secretary of State which was accurate as it was the audio released by the Secretary of State. I don't remember this one, but according to that article, the investigator to whom Trump spoke to was the one who characterized the call that way and their office put out the report that was then repeated by the media. Your issue seems to be with the Georgia officials, not the media that immediately corrected their story after it was revealed that the report that the officials put out was erroneous. |